Anyone watching the Egyptian Elections?

[BT]

Henny

There is no revolution here.

It got cold outside.

Perhaps in the spring.

[BSB]

>>and it seems pretty whiny compared to some of the suffering going on elsewhere in the world.<<

I see. Maybe we can upgrade our suffering here for ya. I'll look into it.


BSB

 

[Xavier_Onassis]

I would say that the U.S. - and in fact the entire rest of the world - is in the middle of major revolution that will be named in future history books.

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This country does not have revolutions. As a rule, change comes before things blow up. The closest we have come to a revolution was among the Blacks in parts of the country struggling against the Jim Crow establishment and other discrimination and among the young people trying to end the Vietnam War. There was a sort of revolt on the Sioux Reservations in SD. But the entire country in upheaval as Egypt did for a while and as Syria is doing now, has not happened.

That is not to say it is impossible, simply improbable.

[BSB]

I was in the service during much of the second half of the sixties when a lot of this stuff went on.  Thinking back though, the riots in Detroit are the worst in my memory.  If I remember correctly the 101st Airborne, or maybe the 82nd, was set up on the outskirts of the city, and they may have even gone in. Further, I think there were armored personal carries using their 50s on the streets of Detroit at one point.

A friend of mine was living near Watts when it blew in '65. He said white people, of which he was one, were breaking into gun shops to get a weapon to protect themselves.

BSB

[Xavier_Onassis]

It got CLOSE to a revolution in the '60's in a few places, but it was not a revolution. It scared a lot of people so much they voted in Tricky Dicky, who claimed to have a very secret Plan for 'Peace with Honor'.

It was so secret that 38 years later, no one is sure what it was. Could Cain's 'Plan B' be more successful? At least we know what it is: to drop out and run a pretend campaign on the cheap.

[BT]

Nixon won on Law and Order. The silent majority who weren't real happy with the Northern riots and the anti war demonstratrations which many felt were supported (rightly so, according to post Soviet document dumps)  by the Soviets.

No one expected an immediate solution to Viet Nam.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I was there. EVERYONE I know expected Vietnam to be over within a couple of years. All they had to do was pack up and get the Hell out.

They would have been better off if that was what they did, too.

[BT]

So was I. None of us expected the war to be over at least for a couple of years.

[Xavier_Onassis]

within two years, at least two years. it lasted for FIVE MORE YEARS.

Nixon lied.

[BT]

If saying he lied helps you sleep at night go ahead and say it.
Just know that that statement is not true.

[Henny]

>>and it seems pretty whiny compared to some of the suffering going on elsewhere in the world.<<

I see. Maybe we can upgrade our suffering here for ya. I'll look into it.


BSB

   Not the point. All I'm saying is U.S. politics no longer make sense to me.

[BSB]

Henny, "U.S. politics no longer make sense to me."

Well it's just the usual stuff you know. I can't find a good brownie. The Whole Foods market moved so I have to drive 200 yards further down the road to get my Argentinian raspberries and organic blueberries. They didn't have the cut of grass feed beef I like last week so I had to settle for some organicly feed American Bison.  And to top it off the gas station across the street from the market no longer has a touch free car wash. And of course there's always Israel. But we try to take these hardships in stride and not whine too much. Hopefully Newt or Romney can help us by stimulating the economy enough to ease these difficult burdens.


BSB

[Xavier_Onassis]

Just know that that statement is not true.

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Nixon said he had a plan to end the war. He didn't have any plan. Or at least, he didn't use it, or it was so secret that no one realized that there was a plan in place. Or it was an invisible plan, and it didnlt work.

Saying Nixon didn't lie is like saying Smuckers does not know about jelly.

[BT]

And yet  peace was achieved under his watch. Because it took longer than expected (by you) does not mean he lied. It means your expectations were not based on real knowledge of what was going on.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Nixon was out by the time Vietnam was over ford was in by then.

i expected bullshit from Nixon, and that is what we got.
 
he was always a despicable human being. as Vonnegut said, 'the founding fathers never expected that the people would elect anyone who so thoroughly despised them.'