if you think about it this may hurt the economy

[Christians4LessGvt]

Interesting. In the IT industry, a background check is not done until an offer is extended.
The offer is always contingent on passing a background check / drug screen.

I am sure it can vary industry to industry.....
drug screening during the hiring process would seem to not be a very reliable indicator
they can hide drug use by temporary abstinence....they cant really hide decades of background data
but again it depends of the industry....obviously a pilot will be drug tested from day one whether it
really is a very effective indicator or not

In my mind it's best to avoid extending an offer and then have to retract it.
I'd rather do 2-4 background checks...
review the background results and all other info behind closed doors..and then extend the offer
I have found that "the less said the better" as far as potential litigation
by making an offer then retracting it over a background check
you are basically giving a specific reason why you didn't hire the person
i prefer to not do that, instead just state "it was a tough decision & we feel like we hired the best candidate".
which is a true statement with no specifics
the "You're hired...Oooops no you're not" kind of throws up a red flag unnecessarily to me.

[kimba1]

I always find funny that companies are willing to pay for the first but not the second if test is contested. companieas don`t like giving second chances on drug testes. I remember one lady paid for the second one herself from another vender and the employer got upset. it`s not like she has cause to trust thier vender.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Kimba....many of those drug tests are not perfect either
we've had a few guys we KNEW were doing drugs
but they always passed the test
we think they carried some kind of "pass any drug test" concoction from a head-shop
then we were told about the only 100% fool proof drug test is a head hair sample
so we started doing that....and it worked
but guess what?....the one guy we suspect....he now keeps his head shaved
he never did before....words out about how we drug test now...so this dude shaves his head
we could maybe take other hair samples....but that can get tricky and you need sufficient hair
hell i'd rather concentrate on sales than running a daycare for adults!

[kimba1]

very few drugs stay long in the body, so it`s pretty easy to pass exccept of course hair. but also it depends on what kinds of drugs also. I very much doubt any business will spring for a test for all drugs. so as long as you keep clean for all the big ones it`s totally doable.

armpit should be more than enough. very few people shave that and it`s way less embarassing than the other source.

but I wonder would deoderant ruin the test?

[Xavier_Onassis]

i tend to doubt that it would. the test is for a specific compound, which would be there deodorant or not. asking people for hair is a clear invasion of privacy, anyway.

[kimba1]

I believe hair is also the most expensive, so very few companies will automaticlly make it standard.

cost is always a factor. I`ve seen companies try to make guards pay for the gas on the company car. penny pinching will always be common.

[kimba1]

The bad part if any of the unemployed gets a macdonalds job no corporate business will ever hire them. I know three guys who did this and none has yet got a corporate job.. It's a complete resume killer. Security is ok,but fastfood or 7-11 after college will hurt you badly. Ever notice you never hear of anybody working thier way from fast food.

[Amianthus]

Ever notice you never hear of anybody working thier way from fast food.

Me. My wife. Several of my coworkers.

[kimba1]

Again i said it wrong
Meant getting a corporate job right after a fast food one.

Ex. CPA working at mcdonalds then trying to work at arthur anderson or any big company.

[Amianthus]

Again i said it wrong
Meant getting a corporate job right after a fast food one.

Ex. CPA working at mcdonalds then trying to work at arthur anderson or any big company.

Me. My wife. Several coworkers.

[kimba1]

then i stand corrected.

your the first I`ve heard of this. hopefully employers nowadays don`t count such jobs against them.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I am sure some do, and others don't. It is likely to be a personal attitude of the HR director.

[Christians4LessGvt]

i would certainly see it as a plus
one guy sitting at home waiting on the job he wants
the other willing to work no matter what until he gets what he wants
hell....i know which one i'd prefer

[Christians4LessGvt]

plus i remember fondly being a dishwasher
after fresh, soph, jr, years of high school
man we had a good time back in that kitchen
always liked making work fun

[Xavier_Onassis]

I was not unemployed from the time I left HS until I retired at 65. I imagine I would take any job I could physically endure. But such jobs are often not available. I certainly could not have found work in central WV after they cut back on the faculty by dismissing 15 of 70 faculty members. So I moved to Va.