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Sunni vs Shia.....It's War!
« on: December 27, 2011, 02:30:39 PM »
Qatar builds Sunni intervention force of
Libyan, Iraqi terrorists against Assad


DEBKAfile Exclusive Report

December 27, 2011, 12:00 PM (GMT+02:00)


Libyan ex-al Qaeda's Abdel Hakim Belhaj

The Qatar oil emirate, encouraged by its successful participation in the campaign to overthrow Libya's Muammar Qaddafi, has established a Sunni Arab intervention force to expedite the drive for Syrian President Bashar Assad's ouster, debkafile's military sources report. The new highly mobile force boosts the anti-Assad Free Syrian Army, whose numbers have jumped to 20,000 fighters, armed and funded by Qatar and now forming into military battalions and brigades at their bases in Turkey.

When they saw the Syrian massacre continuing unabated this month, the Qatari and Saudi rulers approved a crash program for the Qatari chief of staff Maj.-Gen Hamas Ali al-Attiya to weld this mobile intervention Sunni Muslim force out of al Qaeda linked-operatives for rapid deployment on the Turkish-Syrian border.

A force of 2,500 has been recruited up until now, our sources report. The hard core is made up of 1,000 members of the Islamic Fighting Group in Libya-IFGL, which fought Qaddafi, and 1,000 operatives of the Ansar al-Sunna, the Iraqi Islamists which carried out 15 coordinated bomb attacks in Baghdad last Thursday killing 72 people and injuring 200.

Qatar has just had them airlifted from Libya and Iraq to the southern Turkish town of Antakya (Antioch) in the border province of Hatay. It is in this town of quarter-of-a- million inhabitants that the new Sunni force has located its command center and separate camps for the two main contingents to undergo intensive training for combat missions in the embattled Syrian towns and provinces of Idlib, Homs, Jabal al-Zawiya, scenes of the fiercest clashes between Syrian troops and rebels.

debkafile also reveals that the man appointed top commander of the Sunni intervention force headquartered in Antioch is none other than Abdel Hakim Belhaj, whose militia last August seized control of Tripoli after it was captured from Qaddafi by NATO and Qatari forces.

He has picked his deputies - Al-Mahdi Hatari, former head of the Tripoli Brigade and loyal crony Kikli Adem.

Qatari officers have set up communication links between the Libyan and Iraqi camps and since last week are coordinating their operations with the Free Syrian Army.

This flurry of military activity is taking place under the watchful gaze of the Turkish military and its intelligence services but they are not interfering.

debkafile's military and counter-terror analysts stress that the rise of a new Qatari-led Sunni Muslim rapid intervention force breaks fresh strategic ground with ramifications for the United and Israel as well as for the Gulf Arab countries, Syria, Libya and Iraq.

1.  A year has gone by since the Arab Revolt first broke out in December 2010. Yet this is the first time a Sunni Muslim power has established an intervention force - one moreover which is composed almost entirely of fighting men drawn from the ranks of al Qaeda and its extremist Islamist affiliates and allies.

2.   The new Sunni force, funded by the Persian Gulf oil states, is silently backed by the US and NATO members, with Turkey in the forefront of this support group. This means that the Sunni-Shiite divide is spiraling into overt conflict with Western support afforded to one side.

3.  Despite finding itself increasingly isolated by its Arab neighbors, Tehran has so far not intervened directly in conflicts in which it owns an interest, such as Gulf Cooperation Council-GCC intervention against a Shiite-led uprising in Bahrain, and now Sunni militias and terrorists enlisted to battle the Allawite regime of Iran's closest ally, Bashar Assad in Damascus.

4.  Iran's Lebanese proxy. Hizballah's Hassan Nasrallah, must also be feeling an uncomfortable draft coming from a Sunni fighting force near his strongholds and carrying out raids against his closest ally, Bashar Assad. He can't ignore the possibility of that force conducting similar excursions against his own Shiite militia.

5.  Israel too must find cause for concern in the rise of a Sunni military intervention force capable of moving at high speed from one arena to another and made up almost entirely of Islamist terrorists. At some time, Qatar might decide to move this force to the Gaza Strip to fight Israel.
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Re: Sunni vs Shia.....It's War!
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2011, 05:58:36 PM »
Israel too must find cause for concern in the rise of a Sunni military intervention force capable of moving at high speed from one arena to another and made up almost entirely of Islamist terrorists. At some time, Qatar might decide to move this force to the Gaza Strip to fight Israel.

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"Made up almost entirely of terrorists"? That is not what this sounds like at all.
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Re: Sunni vs Shia.....It's War!
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2011, 08:26:09 PM »
   When Saddam's Iraq attacked the Ayatollah's Iran I think that Henry Kissinger was heard to say "It is too bad that they can't both Loose".


      Al Queda style fighting will be useless to the fight in Syria, this is going to turn into a war of logistics and attrition, no hiding , no time outs, lots of collateral damage .
       Territory held will matter.
        The attitude of the people will matter.

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Re: Sunni vs Shia.....It's War!
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2011, 08:30:15 PM »
  Al Queda style fighting will be useless to the fight in Syria, this is going to turn into a war of logistics and attrition, no hiding , no time outs, lots of collateral damage .
       Territory held will matter.
        The attitude of the people will matter.

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I agree.
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Re: Sunni vs Shia.....It's War!
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2011, 11:46:10 PM »
Al Queda style fighting will be useless to the fight in Syria

I am not sure what that means.
If you are saying Al-Qaeda is not a traditional army....agreed
but "useless"?
I dont agree with that
they could play a part in Syria if they so choose

this is going to turn into a war of logistics and attrition, no hiding , no time outs, lots of collateral damage .
Territory held will matter.  The attitude of the people will matter.

I see Syria being similar in many ways to Libya.....
the folks attempting to oust Assad are gonna need lots of help just like the Libyans did
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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2011, 12:28:02 PM »
Syria is a much more sophisticated and diverse society than Libya.Syria has many times the population of Libya and not a lot of oil. And of course, Libya has no border with Israel. There are many differences between these two countries.

It may take extensive aid from outside to bring Syria down, but it seems that the Turks will provide the muscle and the Gulf States will provide the money. The US and NATO may support this effort clandestinely in a supportive role.

Al Qaeda can create chaos, but it cannot take over the government of Syria. It s not clear that they even have a presence in Syria. Both Assad and Israel would like us to believe they did.
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Re: Sunni vs Shia.....It's War!
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2011, 01:24:56 PM »
Syria is a much more sophisticated and diverse society than Libya.
So?

Syria has many times the population of Libya and not a lot of oil.
So?

And of course, Libya has no border with Israel.
So?

There are many differences between these two countries.
So?

It may take extensive aid from outside to bring Syria down, but it seems that the Turks will provide the muscle and the Gulf States will provide the money. The US and NATO may support this effort clandestinely in a supportive role.
Yes!
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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2011, 01:29:12 PM »
So, Libya and Syria are vastly different.

The US cannot afford politically or economically to spend any overt effort on deposing Assad.

Politically, the US would be seen as acting as an agent of Israel. Economically, Syria is a much more populous country than Libya.
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Re: Sunni vs Shia.....It's War!
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2011, 08:48:39 PM »

Al Qaeda can create chaos, but it cannot take over the government of Syria. It s not clear that they even have a presence in Syria. Both Assad and Israel would like us to believe they did.


   I don't think that Al Queda can create Chaos in the midst of existing chaos. With a government of thugs useing tanks to level neighborhoods there is no retreat to sanctuary amoung the noncombatants that the Al Queda has been depending on.

    I think the key force is going to be the Army deserters, there have been a significant number already, I doubt the army could function if desertion increases past 25% or even less if key personell are included.

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« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2011, 09:00:09 PM »
There is really not all that much known about what is really going on in Syria.
Assad is not likely to admit that a sizable percentage of his army has turned on him
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Re: Sunni vs Shia.....It's War!
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2011, 09:14:13 PM »
So, Libya and Syria are vastly different.

And their situations are "similar in many ways" exactly as I said they were.
I am "vastly different" from my best friend, but we also are "similar in many ways" as well.
If you are trying to say Libya and Syria are not 100% exactly the same,
I thought that might be obvious for anyone with brain matter between their ears.
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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2011, 11:18:20 PM »
They are similar in that they (a) speak Arabic, (b) dislike Israel , and (c) had the misfortune to be ruled by a tyrant.

And both countries have deserts. You could find more similarities between the US and New Zealand.
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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2011, 11:47:51 AM »
The US cannot afford politically or economically to spend any overt effort on deposing Assad.



Obama administration secretly preparing
options for aiding the Syrian opposition


By Josh Rogin 

Wednesday, December 28, 2011 

As the violence in Syria spirals out of control, top officials in President Barack Obama's administration are quietly preparing options for how to assist the Syrian opposition, including gaming out the unlikely option of setting up a no-fly zone in Syria and preparing for another major diplomatic initiative.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/12/28/obama_administration_secretly_preparing_options_for_aiding_the_syrian_opposition



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Re: Sunni vs Shia.....It's War!
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2011, 01:04:03 PM »
They are similar in that they (a) speak Arabic, (b) dislike Israel , and (c) had the misfortune to be ruled by a tyrant. And both countries have deserts. You could find more similarities between the US and New Zealand.
Both Syria and Libya are majority Sunni countries, both have a diverse population
that is tied together by common religion, both have long-standing traditions since
achieving statehood of authoritarian rule in which the military has played a prominent role,
and both have ties to international terrorism.....

The Arab League suspended both Libya's and Syria's membership in 2011.

Both, the Syrian and the Libyan regimes have faced uprisings from their people
this year and both are part of whats called the "Arab Spring".

Both the Syrian and Libyan dicators this year attempted to stop the uprisings
by strong-arm violence, heavy-handed crackdowns, & the slaughter of their own civilians.

Both the Libyan and Syrian armies have had mass defections to side with the people.

President Obama has asked both the Libyan & Syrian leaders to step down this year.

The Syrian opposition is disorganized and weak and so was the Libyan opposition.





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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2011, 02:36:17 PM »
And look, you have a picture of them together, They are barely distinguishable.

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