Norman Lear's meltdown

[BT]

Geez and here i thought it was about Lears Meltdown.

You said that right?

....has built a powerful infrastructure of radio and TV networks. They've built think tanks, colleges and law schools

I don't see where that statement is untrue. He didn't say the right had a more powwerful network than the left he said they have built a powerful infrastructure.

Best start focusing on what's being said

I did . Which is why i went to the actual speech itself, so i didn't have my news filtered by a pundit on the right.

You should try that sometime.

[sirs]

Geez and here i thought it was about Lears Meltdown.

You said that right?

Yea, IMO, it was.  Would you prefer a different adjective.....ok, Paranoia.  I could use insanity or lack of reality, but that doesn't fit as well.  The actual speech however does wonders in demonstrating how wrong he, and apparently you are, in claiming some monstrous RW takeover of networks & academia.  12:1, left vs right in professors/teachers, only 2 confirmed right leaning networks, but no, its the right that has bult this powerful infrastructure. 

But yea, let's shoot the the messenger who's on the right, and wait for a fair and balanced assesment by someone on the left.  Actually we did, in Bernie Goldberg, but since he's seen on Fox alot, that has to debunk whatever Democrat credentials he once had

oy

[BT]

Why do you always add attributes to someones statements.

Lear never said monstrous. He said powerful. And he isn't wrong. Rush by himself influences millions. Is that not power? Fox News is the highest rated cable channel. Is that not power.

Why do you dispute what is obviously true.

You argue about scale but that doesn't make Lear's statements false nor does that make him paranoid.

And i'm really surprised that you continuously show your contempt for those on the right by assuming that they don't have the smarts, money or motivation to build a bias as big and strong and persuasive as what the left has done.

If you think the left has an unfair advantage, do something about it. Posting examples of bias to a predominately conservative forum, doesn't cut it.

[sirs]

What I dispute is this notion that Lear was merely "referring to some right leaning outlets".  They're powerful as a Div1 College football team compared to the Detroit Lions.  I'm not reading anything into it.  I'm reading it as is.  And AS IS, demonstrates an egregious level of partisan liberal blinders at best, and paranoia at worst. 

And your agreement is pretty disconcerting as well

[BT]

What I dispute is this notion that Lear was merely "referring to some right leaning outlets".

Where in his speech did he indicate any type of delimiter. He said powerful. And he listed the areas where the right has influence. I agree with that.
You say the right leaning outlets are not powerful enough. So be it.

And AS IS, demonstrates an egregious level of partisan liberal blinders at best, and paranoia at worst. 

It was a partisan speech in front of a partisan group. What would you expect him to say. We don't need your donations anymore because we have won the war of words?

Geez.

[sirs]

LOL....ahh, I see, so, because it was a partisan speech in front of a partisan crowd, that makes what he says ok, "right", and not deeming any critical commentary, as to how wrong and paranoid it was?

WOW

[BT]

He was right. The Right has a partisan noise machine. So does the left.

That fact is indisputable.

[sirs]

The problem is that's NOT what he said, despite your efforts to claim that's what he meant.  So, it's not a fact even being debated, as no one is claiming the right doesn't have a "noise machine"

I think we're done here

[BT]

The problem is that's NOT what he said, despite your efforts to claim that's what he meant.  So, it's not a fact even being debated, as no one is claiming the right doesn't have a "noise machine"

Which component of the right wing noise machine is not powerful? And if it isn't powerful why hasn't it been made so? Are righties incompetent? Who is responsible for losing the propaganda race to the left? Is the left that much smarter, better connected, wealthier, more compelling with their narrative that the righties?
Inquiring minds want to know.

[Xavier_Onassis]

This is the way all debates with sirs end.

Not with a bang, but  a simper.

[sirs]

And typical Xo beginning, middle, and end...insult, demean, name calling, snark

[hnumpah]

Hilarious. Simply hilarious.

Somebody been putting crawdads in Sirs' knickers again?

[Xavier_Onassis]

I have a supply of cybercrawdads that are electronically insertable, which is a great imprvement of the manually insertable ones.

I will slip him a few more to see if they are still working...

...*<slip!>...

[sirs]

Join the irrelevency H.  Glad to have you aboard.  You need your turn at a meltdown?   

[Plane]

"In light of the circumstances we liberals and progressives have succumbed to, it is hard to remember that we -- not the right -- WE are the spiritual heirs to those Americans who struggled to end slavery and segregation -- to end child labor and win safe conditions and a living wage for workers."

Christians?