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ya wanna see some stoooopid?
« on: January 26, 2012, 10:04:30 PM »


Electric-Car Firm That Got Biden Visit,
$118M in Stimulus, Files for Bankruptcy


By Fred Lucas

January 26, 2012



Vice President Joe Biden viewed an electric car that used Ener1 batteries
as he toured the Ener1 battery factory in Greenfield, Ind., on Jan. 26, 2011.
(White House photo/David Lienemann)

(CNSNews.com) - Ener1--a company that manufactures batteries for electric cars, and that received $118.5 million in federal stimulus money, and that Vice President Joe Biden visited last year the day after President Obama's State of the Union Address announced today that it has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.

In last year's State of the Union Address, delivered Jan. 25, 2011, President Obama set a national goal of having a million electric vehicles on the road in the United States by 2015 a goal that would be achieved, Obama said, by taking money out of the oil industry and "investing" it in new technology.

"With more research and incentives, we can break our dependence on oil with biofuels and become the first country to have a million electric vehicles on the road by 2015," said Obama.

"We need to get behind this innovation," he said. "And to help pay for it, I'm asking Congress to eliminate the billions in taxpayer dollars we currently give to oil companies. I don't know if you've noticed, but they're doing just fine on their own. So instead of subsidizing yesterday's energy, let's invest in tomorrow's."

The next day, Biden visited the Ener1 plant in Greenfield, Ind. which the White House said at the time had received a $118.5 million grant from the Department of Energy and was the type of investment the president was talking about in his State of the Union.

Brian Levine, deputy domestic policy adviser to Biden, wrote an article about Biden's visit to Ener1 on the White House webpage for the White House Middle Class Task Force, which Biden leads. The article was headlined "Our Plan to Put One Million Advanced Technology Vehicles on America's Roads."

"Last night, President Obama set a goal of making the United States the first country in the world to put one million advanced technology vehicles on the road," Levine wrote. This goal is part of the President's plan to rebuild our economy by investing in innovation to create the jobs and industries of the future.

"Today, Vice President Biden visited Ener1, Inc., a manufacturer of advanced batteries for electric vehicles, in Greenfield, Indiana to announce our plan to reach this one million vehicle goal by 2015," wrote Levine. "The facility that the Vice President visited would not exist if not for a $118.5 million grant from the Department of Energy, which was part of a $2.4 billion Recovery Act investment in electric vehicles. Ener1 added 120 jobs across the company in 2010 and the future looks bright. They expect to expand the manufacturing and assembly operation in Greenfield from 80 workers today to over a thousand by the start of 2013."

At the Ener1 plant, Biden made a gaffe, mistakenly referring to Ener1?as Enron1.

?Well, ladies and gentlemen, here at Ener1, we?re going to harness electricity and bring it to the world like Edison did more than a century ago,? said Biden. ?We're going to reshape the way Americans drive, the way Americans consume, the way Americans power their lives. And in turn, we're going to reshape America itself. We may not make battery power so cheap that only the rich can afford to drive their cars on imported oil, but?but--with Enron1 (sic) leading the way, we're certainly going to come pretty close.?

Ener1 produces advanced lithium-ion battery systems for electric vehicles.

On Thursday, the company put out a statement announcing that it was filing for Chanter 11 bankruptcy protection in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in the Southern District of New York.

Ener1, the statement said, "announced that it has reached agreement with its primary investors and lenders on a restructuring plan that will significantly reduce its debt and provide up to $81 million to recapitalize the Company to support its long-term business objectives and strategic plan. To implement this restructuring plan, the Company has voluntarily initiated a 'pre-packaged' Chapter 11 case in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in the Southern District of New York, in which it is requesting that the Court confirm a pre-packaged Plan of Reorganization to implement the restructuring."

The Ener1 Chapter 11 filing came a year to the day after Vice President Biden visited the companies Greenfield plant and a year to the day after Biden?s aide wrote on the White House website: "They expect to expand the manufacturing and assembly operation in Greenfield from 80 workers today to over a thousand by the start of 2013."

The Obama administration has previously come under fire for a $535 million loan the Energy Department made to Solyndra, a California-based solar panel company. Solyndra filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection last fall.

In his visit to Ener1 last year, Vice President Biden said that in order to reach the president's goal of one million "advanced-technology vehicles" by 2015, the administration was not only subsidizing companies like Ener1 but wanted to give a $7,500 rebate to people who purchased an electric car like those that would be powered by Ener1 batteries.

"As the president said last night, by 2015 we we will be the first nation in the world to have a million advanced-technology vehicles on the road, a million," said Biden.

"So, folks, here's how we're going to do it. Here's how we're going to meet that goal," said Biden. "It's not enough just to make these batteries. That alone, all by itself, will not get us there. We have to do three more things. We have to convince people at the threshold of this new automobile breakthrough, the new investment. We've got to convince them at the threshold to take a chance, to invest in these vehicles."

"In order to spur this, to increase the number of people that are using the automobiles run by the batteries you are producing, to increase demand," said Biden, "we proposed changing what is now an existing tax credit of $7,500 that if you buy an automobile like this to an immediate rebate. You get a check for $7,500--just like the cash for clunkers program. You don't have to wait. You don't have to wait till tax time to get the extra money to pay for that vehicle."

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/electric-car-firm-got-biden-visit-118m-stimulus-files-bankruptcy

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Re: ya wanna see some stoooopid?
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2012, 11:53:45 PM »
So it goes, status quo....thanks "O"     :o
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Re: ya wanna see some stoooopid?
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2012, 11:22:32 AM »
"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" - Ronald Reagan - June 12, 1987

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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2012, 11:27:05 AM »
But if you were to listen to him at the State of the Delusion, or Debbie Wasserman Schultz, you'd swear that everything was just hunky dory, and that he needs another 4 years to "hopefully" bring those above "changes" to real fruition
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2012, 12:54:51 PM »
Wow...check out those headlines:

GDP Collapse, 1.7% for year
Government "Handouts" up 32%.
Food Stamps UP 45%

Still Bush's fault, though, right??
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Re: ya wanna see some stoooopid?
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2012, 07:41:25 PM »
Bad for me to say

If you want your business to last don't take government money.

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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2012, 07:48:42 PM »
hear hear....I'll 2nd that
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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2012, 08:47:57 PM »
Remember Aptera, the 3 wheeled electric car that everyone in this forum wanted?

You can't have one. Aptera needed money, and they could not get government money without matching funds.

Here is what happened to Aptera.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGGhH1LlUUE&feature=related
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« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2012, 09:05:59 PM »
Remember Aptera, the 3 wheeled electric car that everyone in this forum wanted?

I never did......nor would I support being taxed for something I don't want either. 

Now if some "rich" person wants to make it, via hiring staff, engineers, and the like, with their own money, with the help of other investers, if that's needed, what's wrong with that, and why is that "rich" person demonized if he's a success??  Why does construction in so-called "green energy" projects mandate some need for Government invovlement, and subsequent government tax dollars??, which then can become a complete waste, like here, and with the Solyndra's of the world??

Where in the Constitution does it mandate a need for the Federal Government to pick which private industries to "invest" our tax dollars in, and which ones not to??
« Last Edit: February 03, 2012, 03:57:23 AM by sirs »
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2012, 01:04:37 AM »
The point is that the government did not invest in Aptera because matching funds were not found. Maybe it would have been a great success, maybe a total failure, but we will never know.

I have no opinion on this, but it was sad to see such a beautiful machine not be made.
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2012, 01:37:54 AM »
since we`re on the subject of government money ,anybody here every got a government contract? i was in two businesses that did and it was not as pofitable as it is portrayed.Don`t get me wrong no business will turn it down,but it`s not as easy to deal with legally. the magic word is legally

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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2012, 02:38:24 AM »
The point is that the government did not invest in Aptera because matching funds were not found.

NOR SHOULD THEY HAVE.  IT'S NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S BUSINESS IN TRYING TO PICK AND CHOOSE WINNERS WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS


Maybe it would have been a great success, maybe a total failure, but we will never know.

In its current form, its a total failure.  Good thing the Government didn't waste our tax dollars on this.  It's a great success or failure at those who wish to invest in such a program.  NOT TO TAXPAYERS


I have no opinion on this, but it was sad to see such a beautiful machine not be made.

No one's stopping you from investing in such.  But back to the much more pertinent question that not-so-surprisingly was not answered.....Where in the Constitution does it mandate a need for the Federal Government to pick which private industries to "invest" our tax dollars in, and which ones not to??
« Last Edit: February 03, 2012, 03:56:47 AM by sirs »
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Re: ya wanna see some stoooopid?
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2012, 03:50:14 AM »
Yeah I remember that car. Looked neat and yeah i wanted one. shame they couldn't get the project off the ground.

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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2012, 11:41:51 AM »
anybody here every got a government contract?
i was in two businesses that did and it was not
as pofitable as it is portrayed.

Kimba i guess it depends what business you're in
but we dont usually even submit a bid when we get a gvt request
besides wanting to "low ball" everybody
the gvt is racist & qualifies bids on your skin color/race
we looked into being a "minority owned company"
back around 2003 I even contacted the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma
because we would qualify, but we decided it was
not really worth the trouble, plus we didn't feel right
about using skin color/heritage to gain advantage.

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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2012, 12:30:29 PM »
not really worth the trouble

I hear that from quite afew businesses when I bring this up.I get involved with city government and they tend to abuse outsourcing in the belief thier in charge ,not the business thier hiring.the false belief contracting mean all the perks but none of the responsibility.