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[kimba1]

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if the definition is life begin at conception

1. is the mother to be in trouble for smoking and/or eating junkfood

2.why is the church not telling wives they got the right to not have sex.

[BT]

if the definition is life begin at conception

That is the million dollar question.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Should we allow something so important to be defined by an institution that believes in multigenerational eternal punishment for having very distant ancestors who were caught taking bad culinary advice from talking reptiles?

I am thinking, no.

[BT]

Our opinions are informed by our culture. For many religion is a large influence on our culture. Those influences should be respected , understood and countered if need be with logic not derision.
Otherwise what is the point?

[Xavier_Onassis]

How logical is the doctrine of Original Sin, really?

Why should such a thing be taken seriously?

[BT]

The logic is that there is a constant struggle between doing good and evil in our daily lives. It is the nature of man.

The concept of original sin and the Garden of Eden is simply a way of explaining that in the Judeo Christian Culture. I do not know how they explain the concept in eastern religions or how atheists explain it either.

[Plane]

A woman with embryo is not a woman with child under current law.  She is a woman with child at around 26 weeks. Until then her ownership is hers.

  Yes , just like Dred Scott.

   And does the 27 week really mean anything?

[BT]

And does the 27 week really mean anything?

Viability.

[Plane]

Science works against viability being a border.

Premies from earlyer and earlyer are being rescued.

What diffrence does viability really make anyway?

If I have a disease that is likly to kill me soon how much citizenship right should I loose for being nonviable myself?

Calling them nonviable obfuscates the fact that most abortions kill perfectly healthy babies who are viable in every respect save one.

How viable is a newborn? Few creatures are as dependant as a human child.

I would certainly allow that a life threatening pregnancy , like an etopic pregnancy, should be aborted. Other than that, viability is a very arbitrary standard.

[BT]

Science works against viability being a border.

Yes it does. And it also works in the unwilling mothers favor.

Have they successfully transferred an embryo from a donor to a willing mother?

In the meantime viability is the line in the sand.

[Plane]

  Yes embryos have indeed been transplanted, in this case earlyer is better and embryos that have not yet implanted have been transferred thousands of times.

If viability is really the border, then why was partial birth abortion ever an issue?

[BT]

If viability is really the border, then why was partial birth abortion ever an issue?

Was it a real issue? My understanding is the thrid trimester was pretty much off limits from abortion based on SCOTUS rulings. But i bet enforcement was a problem. Much like our immigration laws.

[Plane]

If viability is really the border, then why was partial birth abortion ever an issue?

Was it a real issue? My understanding is the thrid trimester was pretty much off limits from abortion based on SCOTUS rulings. But i bet enforcement was a problem. Much like our immigration laws.

Is there enforcement?

[BT]

I recall that a Doctor in Kansas may have been arrested. But it was recent history (<5 years ago) so the real answer is no the states probably don't prosecute and i am not sure if the feds have a criminal offense codified for 3rd trimester abortions. 

I'm not even sure if unlicensed abortionists have been indicted.