How extreme is the gun lobby?

[BSB]

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/04/guns-everywhere.html

[sirs]

And I'd put the enviromental lobby as far more extreme....and dangerous to this country, its economy, and its freedoms

Also, I have no problem with "guns everywhere", as long as they are with those legally allowed to own them, the FACt that continues to remain unrefuted is that those areas with more liberal guns laws, and MORE guns in the possession of CCW holders, have far less violent crime than those regions with far more stricter gun laws & regulations

But don't let those facts get in the way of a good anti bill-of-rights rant

[Xavier_Onassis]

Tell us, sirs, how you are going to make sure, from beyond the grave after this has become a sirs-free world® that none of your arsenal will ever fall into the hands of malefactors, evildoers and criminals.

[sirs]

No law against stupidity, and never will be.  Outside of that, what folks legally do with their firearms is their business, not yours.  Your level of paranoia regarding an inaimate object is trumped by the fact of the far more lives saved with firearms than those killed by them, be it by accident, or on purpose......which incidentally, is already against the law

[BSB]

Why of course, lets just arm the hell out of everybody. I vote to repeal the law that says you need a class 3 license to own a machine gun, a submachine gun, and a silencer. Further, I think every nation state should be considered an individual with the international constitutional right to have a nuclear weapon backed by a stand your ground law.

In the immortal words of Chimpy McBush and a few others, bring it on, do you feel lucky punk?, and Hi Ho Silver!

Happy Mothers Day



BSB

[sirs]

If that's what "everybody" wants, then what's it to you??  It's their RIGHT.  And who the hell is advocating that everyone be allowed to arm themselves with 50caliber machineguns, or nukes??   Gads talk about moronic strawmen      Folks can sure tell when one's dialog is devoid of merit or substance, when one starts launching those stink bombs

Fact of the matter is not everyone wants to (own a firearm), so let's allow those who DO WANT to, and legally able to do so, be left alone, thank you very much

[Xavier_Onassis]

AGAIN, Tell us, sirs, how you are going to make sure, from beyond the grave after this has become a sirs-free world® that none of your arsenal will ever fall into the hands of malefactors, evildoers and criminals.

[sirs]

And I'll tell you again, its not my job to "make sure", nor yours, nor anyone else's.  It's the responsibility of the gun owner to decide where his firearms are to go

There is no, and never will be, some 100% guarantee that someone won't break existing law and illegally aquire a firearm.  It doesn't mean you screw the Constitution and get rid of the firearms.  good gravy.  Let's ban free speech, while we're at it     

[BT]

AGAIN, Tell us, sirs, how you are going to make sure, from beyond the grave after this has become a sirs-free world® that none of your arsenal will ever fall into the hands of malefactors, evildoers and criminals.

Life is risky.

Would you make the same demand that your auto is never used by the accident prone or irresponsible after your demise?

Are automobiles as risky, less risky or more risky than firearms?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Are automobiles as risky, less risky or more risky than firearms?
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This is a somewhat  bogus comparison.

The thing is that a car, when used as intended, kills no one.

A car is a complex device that eventually costs more to repair than to junk and buy a new one, or at least a better used one.


A gun is a simple device that rarely wears out. Compared to a car, it has many fewer parts, and if a part on a gun breaks, it can be replaced or a new part can be made in a machine shop.

An unused car deteriorates with age, A gun has few rubber parts and if simply wrapped in a piece of oily flannel can be easily stored for generations.

A gun, on the other hand, is intended to kill.

[BT]

The comparison is not bogus. We are talking about the disposal of real property as a result of your demise.

Will restrictions be placed on these inanimate objects on the off chance that it will be misused?

[Plane]

AGAIN, Tell us, sirs, how you are going to make sure, from beyond the grave after this has become a sirs-free world® that none of your arsenal will ever fall into the hands of malefactors, evildoers and criminals.

Odds favor the better, who outnumber malefactors .
 
I suppose that he could specify in his will which particular hier should receive each one.

[sirs]

Are automobiles as risky, less risky or more risky than firearms?===================================================
This is a somewhat  bogus comparison.

The thing is that a car, when used as intended, kills no one.

And the firearm, when used appropriately can prevent killing.  The comparison, pardon the pun, is pretty dead on, but with the kicker that there is no constitutional right to own a car

[Xavier_Onassis]

There certainly is a constitutional right to own a car.
Anything not prohibited by law is constitutionally legal.

You could save a life by running over a possible murderer with a car as well. Or a board with a nail in it.

[sirs]

There certainly is a constitutional right to own a car.

Please point out, the passage, within the Constitution, where such a right exists.  I'll give you a hint...its not in the Bill of Rights, where clearly the right to bear arms is acknowledged.  You may be legally allowed to own a car, but that doesn't make it a defacto Constitutional right.  Just makes it legal.  You legally can eat breakfast.  Doesn't make it a Constitutional right.  You can legally be employed.   Doesn't make it a Constitutional right, either.  You can legally purcahse alcohol over the age of 21.  Doesn't make that a Constitutional right, either

You could save a life by running over a possible murderer with a car as well. Or a board with a nail in it.

Good luck with that.  I'll stick with the firearm......much more accurate, for those who've had safety training and practice, and far less messy