How extreme is the gun lobby?

[sirs]

Subracting for the moment the gross distortion in the difference in population between the 2 countries, getting back to comparing apples to apples, more lives are SAVED with guns in the U.S. than those killed by guns in the U.S.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Are you aware that there is no constitutional right for you to have a mouth or a nose?

The fact remains that the more guns YOU own, the more the chance that one of them will kill some innocent person or be used in a crime. Guns are not like cars, because people normally junk cars. Guns are rarely junked.
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And if we had more prohibitive gun laws, many fewer people would be killed with guns.

[sirs]

Are you aware that there is no constitutional right for you to have a mouth or a nose?

Yea I am.  You don't have such a right.  It's merely a precursor of living...usaually born with.  You are aware of people born with defects that steal away one's sense of taste, speech, and/or smell, right?  Folks born with defects to their mouth and nose that make them largely non-viable.  Folks that develop cancer to those regious that requires surgical destruction.  Are you trying to claim they've been denied their rights??

The fact remains....

.....that guns SAVE more lives than are taken by them....PERIOD.  Your speculation asided of what "might" happen, is not only not a fact, its trumped by the above ACTUAL FACT

And if we had more prohibitive gun laws, many fewer people would be killed with guns.

Which is actually REFUTED by the facts that those regions in the U.S. with more permissive gun laws and CCW holders have LESS violent crime than those regions in the U.S. that have more

[Xavier_Onassis]

Fewer guns in circulation around the world means fewer accidental and criminal gun deaths.
No one seriously buys this NRA propaganda. You are NOT making anyone safer. Odds are, one of your prized guns will eventually kill or maim some innocent person.

[sirs]

And minus your speculation of but...but...what if...., FACT is that those regions  in the U.S. with more permissive gun laws and CCW holders have LESS violent crime than those regions in the U.S. that have more prohibitive gun laws & restrictions to carry

And that's not NRA, that's simply FACT

[Plane]

Zimmerman was not preventing burglaries. Trayvon had no burglary tools with him.

More people are killed with guns in a week in the US than are killed with guns in England in a year.

How do the English get killed then?

Zimmerman claims he was trying to prevent burgularys, why think anything elese.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The English do not get killed by guns. They stay alive long enough to die of natural causes.

There are way too many guns loose in the US. That is the problem. The more guns there are, the worse the problem gets.

The ultimate NRA solution is that everyone will eventually need to carry a gun to protect themselves. That is NOT a solution. It is, of course a solution for the NRA and its advertisers.

[sirs]

NOOO, that is not, nor ever has been the NRA's "ultimate solution".  I realize this need to push a strawman position that never once has been advocated, that of everyone is to own a gun, whether they want to or not.  Sorry, it's merely a FREEDOM issue.  Those who want and legally can, can.  Those who don't, don't.  So sayeth the Constitution.  Simple as that

[Xavier_Onassis]

Anytime that anyone gets killed by a gun, some NRA chucklehead like you will say "If they had exercised their right to own a gun, they would probably be alive today."

If Trayvon had been carrying his assault rifle, Zimmy would not have decided to stalk him.

[sirs]

IF...DOESN'T EQUATE TO WILL.  BIG DIFFERENCE.  The idiocy of thinking the NRA or "gun nuts" like me want to mandate that everyone have a gun is comparable to Obama's notion that a President Romney wouldn't have said "its a go", to take out Bin Laden

Do you ever tire of this vast leaps of illogic??   

[Xavier_Onassis]

If Trayvon had been carrying his assault rifle, Zimmy would not have decided to stalk him.

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Do you deny that this is true?

[sirs]

I wasn't there, I wouldn't know.  Nor is it relevent.  It happens to be illegal to be carrying an assault rifle, so Martin was far more likely to be shot by the Police, at that point anyway

[Xavier_Onassis]

Only if he had the assault rifle when the cops saw him.

Perhaps Trayvon should have had a 45 magnum strapped to his leg, like Clint Eastwood in The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.

I bet that would have impressed Zimmy.

[sirs]

Naaa, it's still impress the cops more than Zimmerman, and made him far more suspicious with such a big bulge along the side of his pants, consistent with a weapon.  Not to mention the cops WERE on their way

Keep digging

[Plane]

There are way too many guns loose in the US. That is the problem. The more guns there are, the worse the problem gets.

Is there any reason at all to think this is true?

You seem to treat it as an axiom, but in the fact, wherever in the US that gun ownership is most concentrated and common, crime rates are not high and violent deaths are not more frequent.