Texas Hit 104 Degrees Yesterday

[BSB]

........and it's only April. Thank god there's no man made global warming.



BSB

[Plane]

If we are affecting the climate, can we continue on and controll the climate?

[BSB]

Does God control the climate?


BSB

[Plane]

Does God control the climate?


BSB

Yes,he does, but he seems to give mankind a lot of choice and self determination.

Earths biosphere has a strong homeeeostasis , how did that ever come to be? And have we overcome it , or just become a greateer part of it?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Earths biosphere has a strong homeeeostasis , how did that ever come to be? And have we overcome it , or just become a greateer part of it?

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We seem to have unbalanced it.

The question is whether we have the power to rebalance it in our favor, and if so, whether we have the will to do so.

God appears to be off duty, winding watches and perhaps creating other universes. Why assume that He is giving us free will, when the best explanation is that he has just lost interest and taken up some other hobby. Eternity is a really long time, even an omniscient being could easily get bored.

I always admired the episodes of Star Trek TNG in which the Q continuum was involved.

[Plane]

Whew, I see that you are more tolerant of mispelling than you once were.
Thank you.
homeostasis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeostasis

How in an entirely unintelligent universe did homeostasis ever get started? It can't be evolution because no unsuccessfull Earths have ever become extinct.

Gods purposes are not likly to be understood and explained by the likes of me, but what I do get I suppose I might as well speculate about .

God could have made a world in which all of the creatures had no self determination at all and it would probably run like a Swiss watch.
But this sort of Earth would not include Human Beings as we know them.
It may be that God values a learning population of humans created in his image above the neatness of the Earth.

It seems apparent that ther Earth ran fine for Eons before there was any self aware creature on it, we must be a part of the experiment.

[Plane]

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[Xavier_Onassis]

It can't be evolution because no unsuccessfull Earths have ever become extinct.
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We know of no other planets with life on them, so we also do not know if any have become extinct, as you put it.

Evolution does not require extinction. A species CAN become extinct, but extinction and mutation are simply features that species are subject to, but not requirements.

The first amoeba divided again and again, and odds are that if you find an amoeba it is a part of the furst one that ever existed. Amoebas are in that way immortal.

We cannot prove that we have free will. We cannot prove that we do not have free will. Perhaps I was destined by God to write that sentence, perhaps not. We can never know.

We might just be robots made of meat.

[Plane]

It can't be evolution because no unsuccessfull Earths have ever become extinct.
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We know of no other planets with life on them, so we also do not know if any have become extinct, as you put it.

Evolution does not require extinction. A species CAN become extinct, but extinction and mutation are simply features that species are subject to, but not requirements.

The first amoeba divided again and again, and odds are that if you find an amoeba it is a part of the furst one that ever existed. Amoebas are in that way immortal.

We cannot prove that we have free will. We cannot prove that we do not have free will. Perhaps I was destined by God to write that sentence, perhaps not. We can never know.

We might just be robots made of meat.

The Ameobea is a very complex creature, anything that sprang up spontaineiously without any design would have to have been a lot simpler.

The Earth as a system is singular, if it fails to support life once it will be over for life. So evolution is no explanation for the Earth developinng as a system at all.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Amoebas are far less complex than people. And this was not the point.

Life probably began as a self-replicating chemical, a virus. The fact that we have not witnessed this happening does not mean that it did not happen.

No one has any knowledge of any planets with life on them, but that does not prove that there are none. Planets are relatively small compared with the distances involved.

Evolution does not require extinction. Extinction can happen due to any number of physical conditions.

In an infinite number of worlds, there will be planets like Earth at every stage of development.

[Plane]

    Evolution does indeed require extinction, if it doesn't would you please re-explain to me the concept of "survival of the fittest".

Some single celled creatures have larger DNA than Human Beings, don't be in such awe of ourselves that you can't recognise complex systems where they really are.

     I can concieve of oceans of water and pre life chemicals over extreme spans of time producing a lottery winner eventually , a molicule capable of replacation . There may not be any trace of this early sort of life left now , it would be food for later stronger forms wouldn't it? This concept is as free of proof as is God himself. Naturally.

But evolution cannot be the explanation for the Earth developing any system , why does the Earth have anything like Homeostasis at all?  Even if there are many other worlds like Earth ,there is no interaction, no competition nor cooperation.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Evolution does indeed require extinction, if it doesn't would you please re-explain to me the concept of "survival of the fittest"
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If the fittest version of a creature were the first to evolve, then mutant forms would not survive, and the original version would. Individual creatures die off all the time without ever replicating themselves. Would you call that "becoming extinct"?

In many millions of years, all it would take is for one living creature to evolve into thousands of species. There is fossil evidence of much of this.

[Plane]

Evolution does indeed require extinction, if it doesn't would you please re-explain to me the concept of "survival of the fittest"
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If the fittest version of a creature were the first to evolve, then mutant forms would not survive, and the original version would. Individual creatures die off all the time without ever replicating themselves. Would you call that "becoming extinct"?

Yes

In many millions of years, all it would take is for one living creature to evolve into thousands of species. There is fossil evidence of much of this.

The fossil evidence shows that many present lifeforms replace elder lifeforms , something that cannot have happened to the planet.

The level of complexity we find in even the simplest life we know of implys very long streaches of time in development, or intelligent design, take your pick.

   

[Xavier_Onassis]

Very long stretches of time, of course.

Do you really think that "intelligent design" would have been so stupid as to design hideous things like guinea worm, malaria, or elephantiasis?

A god that would design stuff like that would have to be satanic.

[Plane]

I wonder if you have ever read Blake's poems?

Try "Tyger"......

http://www.bartleby.com/101/489.html



William Blake. 1757–1827

 
489. The Tiger

TIGER, tiger, burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?


In what distant deeps or skies         5
Burnt the fire of thine eyes?
On what wings dare he aspire?
What the hand dare seize the fire?


And what shoulder and what art
Could twist the sinews of thy heart?  10
And when thy heart began to beat,
What dread hand and what dread feet?


What the hammer? what the chain?
In what furnace was thy brain?
What the anvil? What dread grasp  15
Dare its deadly terrors clasp?


When the stars threw down their spears,
And water'd heaven with their tears,
Did He smile His work to see?
Did He who made the lamb make thee?  20


Tiger, tiger, burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?


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Rather than attempt to explain Gods motives, lets think of the alternative.
A world in which nothing was deadly or ugly ,cruel or painfull.

Our Computers live in such a world, it seems likly to me that they will become just as smart as we are before too long.
Will we introduce to them concepts of pain and fear?