Evidence Suggests Watergate Was A Setup

[Xavier_Onassis]

What happened was that LBJ realized after the Tet offensive that he could no longer get the troops to fight the stupid war. They had to draft six or seven boys to get one soldier, and enlistments were plummenting.

 Nixon had no choice but to "Vietnamize" the war. Johnson simply did not wish to preside over a defeat. Nixon was stuck with the same problem, but by the time he took over, there was a shortage of gung-ho yokels that would willingly enlist or allow themselves to be drafted.

Nixon knew he could not escalate the war, because it would become obvious that would be draftees would have to be arrested and impressed by force into the military. That would have revealed a major weakness to the entire world. I had dozens of friends who said they would prefer jail or permanent exile in Canada to fighting a useless and unwinnable war in Vietnam.

Nixon could have ended the war by 1970 or earlier, with no worse results than the rather humiliating rout that happened. Everyone who died in Vietnam died for no good reason, and both LBJ and Nixon were responsible. But Nixon was elected because he claimed he had a "special plan", which was a lie, and he was impeached and out of office by the time the war was over.

[sirs]

Your arguement, specifically the rant aimed at Nixon is so bogus, basing it on what Nixon "could have done".  Under the same paramenters Obama obviously "Iraquized" the war, since he could have had troops out by the end of his 1st year.  Guess what?, we still have troops there, so per your paramenters, Obama is just as responsible as Bush.  So where's your wrath aimed at Obama??

I hope the coolaide is tasty, at least

[Xavier_Onassis]

The US had hundreds of thousands of troops in Vietnam and they were getting killed up until the very end.

We never had anywhere near the number in Iraq, and Americans troops are not dying at any serious rate in Iraq.

Iraq COULD be a danger to the US. A Communist Vietnam was never any threat to Americans except those troops stationed in the area.

Iraq and Vietnam are NOT comparable, other than both were mongered stupidly.

Comparing Obama with Nixon is stupid: comparing Obama with what McCain would have done differently is the only thing that makes sense here.

[Christians4LessGvt]

yeah SIRS the guy (LBJ) that increased the troops and the guy (Nixon) that brought the troops home are equally at fault!

LOL....it's such a joy forcing liberals to take such insane positions to connect their kooky dots.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Nixon had no choice but to reduce the number of troops. It was forced upon him by necessity. Had Humphrey been elected, I am pretty sure he would have ended the involvement sooner. Lots of people made tons of money supplying stuff for that war, and many supported Nixon. In the 1968 election, the Democrats were the peace party, the Republicans were the war party,


Humphrey & Muskie came within 1% of Nixon & Agnew, with Wallace & LeMay getting 13% of the popular vote.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Nixon had no choice but to reduce the number of troops.

Nixon campaigned to end the war....quit trying to rewrite history so that you can spew your hatred.
President Nixon never stated he had a "secret plan" that was a reporters words.
LBJ had 500,000 US Troops in Viet Nam when Nixon took over the LBJ Nightmare.
President Nixon brought about the end of American Viet Nam war involvement.
That is factual history. Your spin does not and can not change history.

Humphrey & Muskie came within 1% of Nixon & Agnew, with Wallace & LeMay getting 13% of the popular vote.

If's and buts to connect the kooky dots!

[BT]

Nixon had no choice but to reduce the number of troops. It was forced upon him by necessity. Had Humphrey been elected, I am pretty sure he would have ended the involvement sooner. Lots of people made tons of money supplying stuff for that war, and many supported Nixon. In the 1968 election, the Democrats were the peace party, the Republicans were the war party,

You are just making this up. Humphrey was an LBJ surrogate. And where do you get that it took 6-7 draftees to make one soldier. You either had a deferment, declared yourself gay, went to Canada or did your time. If you had a deferment you weren't drafted. Your numbers don't add up with what i saw.

[Xavier_Onassis]

You saw people running off to Canada? A lot of draftees simply took off. There were plenty of places to hide, and the government could not use the cops for a big round up because it would have revealed the huge difficulty they were having.

The government never admitted that they could not manage to draft enough soldiers, because it was seen as a matter of national security, though surely the Russians knew about it. Nixon was no capable of maintaining the huge number of troops that LBJ had, and was forced to "Vietnamize".

Humphrey clearly split from LBJ  and was dedicated to end the war as soon as possible.
Nixon claimed to have a plan and refused to reveal what it was. That is why they called it a "secret plan".

[BT]

You saw people running off to Canada? A lot of draftees simply took off.

That certainly isn't what i saw in Atlanta. Where would they go? Who would hire them. Draft Status was that days version of today's e-Verify.

If Humphrey was such an anti-war guy why didn't he break with LBJ and show solidarity with the anti-war demonstrators in Chicago. He didn't because he needed LBJ's support in a brokered convention. Did Humphrey even win a primary? Or did he usurp Kennedy and McCarthy support because he had the support of LBJ.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Nixon claimed to have a plan and refused to reveal what it was. That is why they called it a "secret plan".

Nixon NEVER stated he had "a secret plan".
That's Leftwing crap....more fantasy land to connect the kooky dots.

New York Times: "Actually, "secret plan" wasn't Nixon's term;
a reporter on deadline used it as he covered Nixon's speech"
promising quick victory in that vastly unpopular war.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/20/opinion/20iht-edwells.3229758.html

George Mason University:
"Nixon never said he had a secret plan to end the war in Vietnam"
http://hnn.us/node/52103

Wikepedia
In the 1968 Presidential campaign, Richard Nixon stated that "new leadership will end the war" in Vietnam. He never used the phrase "secret plan", which originated with a reporter looking for a lead to a story summarizing the Republican candidate's (hazy) promise to end the war without losing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_promise

[BT]

What Nixon did promise:
"I pledge to you that we shall have an honorable end to the war in Vietnam."

Peace with honor

no secret plan

[Plane]

What happened was that LBJ realized after the Tet offensive that he could no longer get the troops to fight the stupid war.

There is really no reason to think this.

The Tet Offensive was a big looser for the North Vietnasmeese and an even bigger loss for the Southern VietCong.

The Battle of the Bulge went better,for the Germans . than Tet went for the NVietnameese.

[sirs]

Iraq COULD be a danger to the US. A Communist Vietnam was never any threat to Americans except those troops stationed in the area.

Ummmm........all this time I thought the left made it clear that Iraq was absolutely no danger to the U.S.  Bush lied, people died, and all that bogus crap.  Now all of a sudden, they COULD be a danger to the U.S.??

Iraq and Vietnam are NOT comparable, other than both were mongered stupidly.

Doesn't matter scope.  Per your parameters, President Obama is just as equal as President Bush in blame for Iraq, since he could have brought all troops back, per his pledge, within his 1st year, just as President Nixon is just as equal to President LBJ in blame

Comparing Obama with Nixon is stupid: comparing Obama with what McCain would have done differently is the only thing that makes sense here.

McCain was never president, so it makes no sense

[Plane]

Comparing Obama with Nixon is stupid: comparing Obama with what McCain would have done differently is the only thing that makes sense here.

McCain was never president, so it makes no sense

That BHO comes off poorly in comparison to RMN is telling a lot .

[Xavier_Onassis]

Iraq as a haven for Al Qaeda, AFTER the government was brought down by the invasion did pose a danger to the US. Vietnam posed none.

The US departure from Vietnam was NOT "Peace with Honor". It was a humiliating rout. It is hard to imagine that a better rout in 1972 would have been so humiliating. And even had it been thus, around 20,000 Americans and many more Vietnamese would have been alive.

Nixon was a lying fraud all his career. Of course, today, he would be regarded as a LIBERAL RINO lying fraud for his policies. We know he was a racist, as he said so in those tapes.