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Obama’s naked lawlessness
« on: June 23, 2012, 02:54:10 AM »
With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations [of immigrants brought here illegally as children] through executive order, that’s just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed.”— President Obama, March 28, 2011


Those laws remain on the books. They have not changed. Yet Obama last week suspended these very deportations — granting infinitely renewable “deferred action” with attendant work permits — thereby unilaterally rewriting the law. And doing precisely what he himself admits he is barred from doing.

Obama had tried to change the law. In late 2010, he asked Congress to pass the Dream Act, which offered a path to citizenship for hundreds of thousands of young illegal immigrants. Congress refused.

When subsequently pressed by Hispanic groups to simply implement the law by executive action, Obama explained that it would be illegal. “Now, I know some people want me to bypass Congress and change the laws on my own. .?.?. But that’s not how our system works. That’s not how our democracy functions. That’s not how our Constitution is written.”

That was then. Now he’s gone and done it anyway. It’s obvious why. The election approaches and his margin is slipping. He needs a big Hispanic vote and this is the perfect pander. After all, who will call him on it? A supine press? Congressional Democrats? Nothing like an upcoming election to temper their Bush 43-era zeal for defending Congress’s exclusive Article I power to legislate.

With a single Homeland Security Department memo, the immigration laws no longer apply to 800,000 people. By what justification? Prosecutorial discretion, says Janet Napolitano.

This is utter nonsense. Prosecutorial discretion is the application on a case-by-case basis of considerations of extreme and extenuating circumstances. No one is going to deport, say, a 29-year-old illegal immigrant whose parents had just died in some ghastly accident and who is the sole support for a disabled younger sister and ailing granny. That’s what prosecutorial discretion is for. The Napolitano memo is nothing of the sort. It’s the unilateral creation of a new category of persons — a class of 800,000 — who, regardless of individual circumstance, are hereby exempt from current law so long as they meet certain biographic criteria.

This is not discretion. This is a fundamental rewriting of the law.

Imagine: A Republican president submits to Congress a bill abolishing the capital gains tax. Congress rejects it. The president then orders the IRS to stop collecting capital gains taxes and declares that anyone refusing to pay them will suffer no fine, no penalty, no sanction whatsoever. (Analogy first suggested by law professor John Yoo.)

It would be a scandal, a constitutional crisis, a cause for impeachment. Why? Because unlike, for example, war powers, this is not an area of perpetual executive-legislative territorial contention. Nor is cap gains, like the judicial status of unlawful enemy combatants, an area where the law is silent or ambiguous. Capital gains is straightforward tax law. Just as Obama’s bombshell amnesty-by-fiat is a subversion of straightforward immigration law.

It is shameful that congressional Democrats are applauding such a brazen end run. Of course it’s smart politics. It divides Republicans, rallies the Hispanic vote and preempts Marco Rubio’s attempt to hammer out an acceptable legislative compromise. Very clever. But, by Obama’s own admission, it is naked lawlessness.

As for policy, I sympathize with the obvious humanitarian motives of the Dream Act. But two important considerations are overlooked in concentrating exclusively on the Dream Act poster child, the straight-A valedictorian who rescues kittens from trees.

First, offering potential illegal immigrants the prospect that, if they can hide just long enough, their children will one day freely enjoy the bounties of American life creates a huge incentive for yet more illegal immigration.

Second, the case for compassion and fairness is hardly as clear-cut as advertised. What about those who languish for years in godforsaken countries awaiting legal admission to America? Their scrupulousness about the law could easily cost their children the American future that illegal immigrants will have secured for theirs.

But whatever our honest and honorable disagreements about the policy, what holds us together is a shared allegiance to our constitutional order. That’s the fundamental issue here. As Obama himself argued in rejecting the executive action he has now undertaken, “America is a nation of laws, which means I, as the president, am obligated to enforce the law. I don’t have a choice about that.”

Except, apparently, when violating that solemn obligation serves his reelection needs.
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Obama’s naked lawlessness
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2012, 02:27:28 PM »
What about those who languish for years in godforsaken countries awaiting legal admission to America? Their scrupulousness about the law could easily cost their children the American future that illegal immigrants will have secured for theirs.
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What about them? The quota for legal immigrants is not reduced because of illegals that sneak into the country.

It is dangerous and occasionally fatal to sneak into the US. It is foolish to assume that their reluctance to sneak into the country is due to their lawfulness.

Many of those who have applied for entry are relatives of those who are already here.
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The fact is that American taxpayers have already paid to educate the Dream Act children, who are nearly all more assimilated into our culture than other illegals, and to deport them simply is throwing away the money that has been spent on them.

Most Americans polled favor the Dream Act. It was defeated by a filibuster from states that represent a minority of the population.

President Obama was correct to do what he did, and Romney is too gutless to say that he would extend it.
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Re: Obama’s naked lawlessness
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2012, 03:58:55 PM »
President Obama was correct to do what he did (in direct violation of exiting immigration law)

Imagine: A Republican president submits to Congress a bill abolishing the capital gains tax. Congress rejects it. The president then orders the IRS to stop collecting capital gains taxes and declares that anyone refusing to pay them will suffer no fine, no penalty, no sanction whatsoever, in direct violation of existing tax law

So apparently a Republican president would be just as correct.  Imagine that
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Re: Obama’s naked lawlessness
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2012, 05:27:24 PM »
Most Americans polled favor the Dream Act. It was defeated by a filibuster from states that represent a minority of the population.

You mean Democrats as well took part??

And Not sure you really want to go there.....how most americans polled have said lately.....especially as it relates to illegal immigration, the current state of the economy, Obamacare, and the latest job approval trending for our supposed Highest law enforcement officer
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Re: Obama’s naked lawlessness
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2012, 01:28:32 PM »
  I would really like to see all of the innefective , confusing , unfair and unenforced immagration laws we have replaced by a small system of laws that are better thought out.

   Can the Supreme Court require the Congress to act?
   Can they demand an act by a deadline?
   If they do will our political climate spoil all efforts at fairness and effectiveness, produceing a monstorous amalgamation like the health care bill?

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Re: Obama’s naked lawlessness
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2012, 02:33:41 PM »
Can the Supreme Court require the Congress to act?

When the Cherokees won a dispute against their forced removal from their lands, the Court could not get Congress to enforce the law. President Jackson said "let them try to enforce it", but they did not. One assumes that they could not. Generations later, their ancestors got some money. The Cherokees who refused to leave NC are still there.

   Can they demand an act by a deadline?

They required that schools be integrated with "all deliberate speed", which seems to have been about 15 years.
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Re: Obama’s naked lawlessness
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2012, 03:03:42 PM »
Can the Supreme Court require the Congress to act?

When the Cherokees won a dispute against their forced removal from their lands, the Court could not get Congress to enforce the law. President Jackson said "let them try to enforce it", but they did not. One assumes that they could not. Generations later, their ancestors got some money. The Cherokees who refused to leave NC are still there.

   Can they demand an act by a deadline?

They required that schools be integrated with "all deliberate speed", which seems to have been about 15 years.


   Yes.

  So I expect our immagration law to remain a mess, from everyones point of view.

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Re: Obama’s naked lawlessness
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2012, 09:41:27 PM »
There will be no adequate solution without compromise.

This country cannot expel 12 million people. We cannot have second class citizens. The borders cannot be sealed.
There has to be a way that at least some of those who are here illegally can become citizens.
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Re: Obama’s naked lawlessness
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2012, 11:51:12 PM »
There already is....DO IT LEGALLY, LIKE EVERY OTHER LEGAL IMMIGRANT DID, AND STILL DOES
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Re: Obama’s naked lawlessness
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2012, 02:56:07 AM »
There will be no adequate solution without compromise.

This country cannot expel 12 million people. We cannot have second class citizens. The borders cannot be sealed.
There has to be a way that at least some of those who are here illegally can become citizens.


It can't be 12 million anymore.
The Obama Economy has caused a lot of self deportation, how can this be measured?