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What the GOP, Ryan and the Mittster stand for
« on: September 20, 2012, 12:44:07 PM »
The Republicans stand for the following:

MORE taxes for the poor, because they are not poor enough. They should have their benefits all cut off to teach them responsibility.

FEWER taxes for the rich, because they are still not rich enough. They should be incentivized by special deals to allow them to grab an even bigger slice of the pie.

The rich and the "people" known as corporations have not hired workers in the past seven years because they want all the Juniorbush tax cuts to be permanent.

Convince workers that they are better off with low paying, non-union jobs and that their interests and the boss's interests are one and the same. Your company is your "family" and you should be loyal to it and your boss's political party in return. Of course, you might be told to pack up your belongings and empty your desk and leave accompanied by security someday if the boss no longer wants or needs you in his "family".

Convince them of how grateful they should be for not having their jobs outsourced or their workplaces looted by vulture capitalists out for a quick buck.

Convince them that the taxes that the poor pay (sales taxes, payroll taxes, state and local taxes, including their landlord's property taxes) are not really taxes at all.

Convince them that the professionals that teach their children, deserve working class wages, and they should be denied unions, collective bargaining and that they are the "elitist" enemies of the workers.
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Re: What the GOP, Ryan and the Mittster stand for
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2012, 11:25:26 PM »
What the Democrats ,as represented by President Obama, want, is merely the right of the government to controll your earnings , your behavior and your thoughts, so that they can ensure that you do right and are well cared for , every moment of your life.

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Re: What the GOP, Ryan and the Mittster stand for
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2012, 02:40:05 AM »
It's always funny to watch the lunatic left somehow claim that Republicans supporting tax cuts for everyone somehow equals "more taxes for the poor" (noting once again, squat support for the asanine claim to begin with), when at the same time, Obamination care is FACTUALLY going to saddle the middle class with the biggest tax increase this country has ever seen

Up is down, left is right, right is wrong.
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Re: What the GOP, Ryan and the Mittster stand for
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2012, 01:40:48 PM »
All governments that have a tax control earnings.

YOU want to control a woman's right to have an abortion.

No one can control your thoughts. You should tell the Voices in your head to knock it off.

The left is right, the right is wrong, you are a shill.
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Re: What the GOP, Ryan and the Mittster stand for
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2012, 10:05:16 PM »
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All governments that have a tax control earnings.

What did you intend for that sentence to mean?

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Re: What the GOP, Ryan and the Mittster stand for
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2012, 10:56:22 PM »
It means I have a low opinion of sirs.
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Re: What the GOP, Ryan and the Mittster stand for
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2012, 11:47:05 PM »
So your statement was not to be taken literally?

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Re: What the GOP, Ryan and the Mittster stand for
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2012, 12:36:20 AM »
If I earn $100,000 and the government taxes me  $10,000, $1000, $100, $10 or 10¢, they have controlled my earnings, haven't they?
They have caused me to have less to spend.

I thought that was obvious.
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Re: What the GOP, Ryan and the Mittster stand for
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2012, 01:12:11 AM »
If I earn $100,000 and the government taxes me  $10,000, $1000, $100, $10 or 10¢, they have controlled my earnings, haven't they?
They have caused me to have less to spend.

I thought that was obvious.

Then it is a matter of degree?

A little bite is certainly necessacery for maintaining the government .

Increasing the bite to the maximum the economy can survive seems like a mistake to some of us.

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Re: What the GOP, Ryan and the Mittster stand for
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2012, 01:26:48 AM »
All governments that have a tax control earnings.

YOU want to control a woman's right to have an abortion.

No one can control your thoughts. You should tell the Voices in your head to knock it off.

The left is right, the right is wrong, you are a shill.

How does this even remotely apparoach trying to back up the asanine claim that supprt for tax cuts aimed at everyone somehow equals "more taxes for the poor"??  In this reality, right is right, left is left, up is up, and Xo is wrong
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Re: What the GOP, Ryan and the Mittster stand for
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2012, 01:43:56 AM »
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If I earn $100,000 and the government taxes me  $10,000, $1000, $100, $10 or 10¢, they have controlled my earnings, haven't they?
They have caused me to have less to spend.

No they control the vig. And affect  consumption, which is not the same as earnings.


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Re: What the GOP, Ryan and the Mittster stand for
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2012, 12:51:13 PM »
For most Americans it is all the same.

They gave me a contract for $63,000, but I received only $52605, because of the deductions.

My actual salary may have been $63000, or even more, counting employer contributions ot SS, Medicare and other benefits, but all I could spend was what they actually put in my account.

For all practical purposes, my earnings and my income were the same.
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Re: What the GOP, Ryan and the Mittster stand for
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2012, 02:34:32 PM »
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For most Americans it is all the same.

That doesn't make your statement factual. I just means, sadly, that there are a lot of americans with a woefully inadequate understanding of simple economics.


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Re: What the GOP, Ryan and the Mittster stand for
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2012, 02:46:15 PM »
Explain to me how my "misunderstanding" could change anything.

All taxes reduce disposable income. I agree that taxes can be too high and too low as well. There is an optimum tax rate which is neither. This varies between individuals, but from a practical standpoint, all incomes must be dealt with in what seems to be an equitable manner.
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Re: What the GOP, Ryan and the Mittster stand for
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2012, 07:25:30 PM »
Explain to me how my "misunderstanding" could change anything.

All taxes reduce disposable income. I agree that taxes can be too high and too low as well. There is an optimum tax rate which is neither. This varies between individuals, but from a practical standpoint, all incomes must be dealt with in what seems to be an equitable manner.

Because you claim that taxes control earnings and then as proof you claim that really what it does is control spending. So which is it. What comes in or what goes out?