Kurt Vonnegut explains Republicans

[Plane]

Who says God is not planning a perfect social order?

[Xavier_Onassis]

I say that God is a bumbling idiot if he has been around this long and we still have the mess that we do. Once God has sent to bring His True Godly Message with Jesus, He really should have prevented Mohammed, Joseph Smith, Sun Myung Moon and all the rest of the New, Improved Prophets, Messiahs, Makhdis, and such from popping in with a different message. Think about it.

If God is omnipotent and omniscient, he could have a perfect social order running tomorrow. Omniscience means he would know how to do it, and Omnipotence means He has the power to do it. No time like the present.

So either is isn't omnipotent and omniscient or He simply isn't.

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Again I do not think that as "perfect social order" is possible, because existence is always in flux. There are sunspots, there are droughts and floods and volcanoes and earthquakes and we do not cause them, but they certainly cause change to any social order.

The Universe would have to be static and unchanging to have a perfect social order. We would also have to be static and unchanging.

That is not to say that we cannot have a BETTER social order. But we need to be aware that by its very nature, as well as by our very nature, it will change.

[Plane]

The Universe would have to be static and unchanging to have a perfect social order. We would also have to be static and unchanging.

That is pretty wierd.

Oatmeal every meal would be perfect?

Why would a lack of dynamism contribute to perfection?

I do not think we are the end result as we are, we are in the middle of a process that we very dimly understand.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Oatmeal every meal would be perfect?

Why would a lack of dynamism contribute to perfection?

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It would not require you to eat oatmeal every day. It simply would ban the introduction of anything new.

Any change in a perfect universe would of necessity be an interruption of perfection.

Of course, a perfect world is an impossibility, and this is a discussion of why this is so.

[Plane]

I think your definition of Perfection is inadequate, it would never fit a perfect storm.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I think your definition of Perfection is inadequate, it would never fit a perfect storm.

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The term "perfect storm" itself is inadequate. Total chaos would be far worse than any storm on Earth.

Chaos and storms are never perfect: they are totally the opposite.

Perfect is not the same as total.

[Plane]

I can imaginee perfect stasis, but this would be pretty much the opposite of perfect living conditions.

As far as I know we are in the midst of a perfect winnowing.

[Xavier_Onassis]

There is no such thing as a perfect winnowing.
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A perfect societal system would not be static: it would simply always operate within the same parameters.
It would not be inert. Think of a player piano that always plays the same songs exactly the same way forever.

[Plane]

Eew....

I hope a perfection that enforces eunni isn't ever acheived.

What if the perfect system were perfectly adaptable?

The march of science is about 80% positive results, a perfect society would incorporate every positive development and reject all new negative influences.

How close to that could we get?

[sirs]

I think your definition of Perfection is inadequate, it would never fit a perfect storm.

not to mention the definition of "fair share"

[Plane]

  Yes , a "fair share" needs defining, I don't think you could call it fair to take all or most nor even all that can be taken while leaving the takee alive.

    Nothing is also not a fair share.

    Taxes are a heavy load , but many hands make light work, what fairness can we acheive , moving in the direction of perfection?

     Should we ask that all participants in the economy contribute in purportion to their participation?

[Plane]

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[Xavier_Onassis]

 Perfection, as I said, I do not deem possible, regardless of what the Book of Revelation says about how Jesus will rule over a perfect world for 1000 years (followed, unexplicably, by turning it all over to Satan).

Perfection is, nonetheless a GOAL to strive toward, even though it is unattainable. The same is true of fairness and equality.

[Plane]

Something that meets all requirements is perfect.
It happens all the time.
Something that is so perfect that it hasn't got a freckle on the far side never happens at all.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Something that meets all requirements is perfect.
It happens all the time.
Something that is so perfect that it hasn't got a freckle on the far side never happens at all.

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I think it does happen every once in a while.

If you are talking about food, it happens all the time.

Nutrition and appearance have different standards.