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Re: Don't mess with the Bird!
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2012, 10:35:21 PM »
Those who like the Thunderbirds and the Blue Angels should have a bake sale to pay for the cost, since they are so cheap.
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Re: Don't mess with the Bird!
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2012, 11:49:45 PM »
Those who like the Thunderbirds and the Blue Angels should have a bake sale to pay for the cost, since they are so cheap.

That might work , it might work for Big Bird too.

Both are free shows that could be pushing ads or selling tickets.

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Re: Don't mess with the Bird!
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2012, 05:17:16 AM »
The difference of course being that one fits clearly within the pervue of the Federal Government and one does not
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Re: Don't mess with the Bird!
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2012, 08:12:03 AM »
So the Constitution mentions aerobatic fighter groups, but opposes literacy for the young?

I think that Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson must have pondered long and hard on that one.

We should have literacy taught only at the state level, but the opportunity of the public to see groups of whizbang pilotry on rare occasions in multimillion dollar teams of aircraft shall not be denied.

Get effing serious!
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Re: Don't mess with the Bird!
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2012, 10:56:20 AM »
The difference of course being that one fits clearly within the pervue of the Federal Government and one does not

No.
There is a national interest served by widespread literacy.

No less than there is a national interest in the profeciency of its warrior pilots.

Seseme Street is so effective in its work that it could probably operate as a profit making business and pay taxes.

If the Blue Angels improve the morale of the Navy, impress enemys with our strength ,improve the public opinion of the military , then there is a cash value gained , but it couldn't exist on its own as an unsubsidised business.

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Re: Don't mess with the Bird!
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2012, 12:54:02 PM »
Let Naval veterans and the tiny proportion of people who watch these airshows pay the cost. Grotesquely expensive entertainment is NOT a function of the federal government. Perhaps every three years or so, the AF could commission another Top Gun" flick that could pay for itself AND boost morale.

I have seen the Blue Angels exactly ONCE. Although I admit what5 tyet were doing looked difficult, it was really6 not all that impressive. The monster scene in Howard the Duck movie, THAT was impressive to watch.

Can the flyboys, Support the Bird.

Literacy of millions of kids is INFINITELY more impressive that stunts by obsolete pilots and their obsolete planes who can be replaced by drones at a twentieth of the cost. We might as well be subsidizing saber fights and proficient use of buggy whips.

Manned fighter aircraft are O B S O L E T E!
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Re: Don't mess with the Bird!
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2012, 01:12:06 PM »
"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" - Ronald Reagan - June 12, 1987

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Re: Don't mess with the Bird!
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2012, 01:17:35 PM »
Eat my shorts, you reprehensible Fascist!
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Re: Don't mess with the Bird!
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2012, 01:38:44 PM »
Let Naval veterans and the tiny proportion of people who watch these airshows pay the cost. Grotesquely expensive entertainment is NOT a function of the federal government. Perhaps every three years or so, the AF could commission another Top Gun" flick that could pay for itself AND boost morale.

I have seen the Blue Angels exactly ONCE. Although I admit what5 tyet were doing looked difficult, it was really6 not all that impressive. The monster scene in Howard the Duck movie, THAT was impressive to watch.

Can the flyboys, Support the Bird.

Literacy of millions of kids is INFINITELY more impressive that stunts by obsolete pilots and their obsolete planes who can be replaced by drones at a twentieth of the cost. We might as well be subsidizing saber fights and proficient use of buggy whips.

Manned fighter aircraft are O B S O L E T E!

The government is in entertainment in a big way.
Who employs more musicians than the US Government?
Nobody.


The cost of the Blue Angels should be considered with the cost of the Aircraft , supporting equipment , fuel, personell and travel subtracted, none of this is avoidable by not having a show.

What you are objecting to is an expensive paint job which will be wasted as soon as we send the aircraft to war. It is a very small purportion of the total and the payback is an enormous intangible that we would miss badly.

If the Government fired Big Bird he would get work in the private secrtor with no troubble and would start paying taxes as any giant turkey should.

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Re: Don't mess with the Bird!
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2012, 01:53:41 PM »
Manned fighter aircraft are O B S O L E T E!

I think you will be right , but not yet.

Manned automobiles are also just about obsolete , but not enough cars are ready to pilot themselves to make the transition practical right now.

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Re: Don't mess with the Bird!
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2012, 02:39:42 PM »
So the Constitution mentions aerobatic fighter groups, but opposes literacy for the young?

No & No.  The constitution mentions what the Fed is responsible for and nothing more, and all else would be State responsibility.   The former however happens to be a significant training, PR, and recruiting mechanism for the military, which is a FED responsibility.  The latter has nothing to do with "opposing", but nice try

Ben & Thomas WOULD be rolling in their graves if that got wind of the Federal monster the both Dems & Repubs have made it into
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Re: Don't mess with the Bird!
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2012, 05:03:48 PM »
It is as silly to promote fighter pilots for our future defense as it would be to promote musketry. Fighter aircraft are already obsolete.

Literacy is not.

Big Bird 1, aerobatics teams, 0.
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Re: Don't mess with the Bird!
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2012, 05:46:15 PM »
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Re: Don't mess with the Bird!
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2012, 08:54:09 PM »
Big Bird is not used to make money for his creators.

either are Oscar, Bert or Ernie, Grover or several others.
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