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The goal of low expectations
« on: October 16, 2012, 01:27:30 PM »
You saw it before the 1st Presidential Debate between Romney & Obama.  The left and Obama synchophants refeencing how Obama's been too busy to really prepare....hadn't debated in over 4years, while Romney was supposedly eating/drinking/sleeping debate prep since even before the campaign.

Then we all saw just how trounced Obama was, in that 1st debate.  No substance, no passion, no record. 

In the Veep debate people wanted to give the win to Biden, based solely on how most thought Ryan was going to throttle the gaffemaster.  But as it was largely a draw, that defacto makes it a Biden win.  See how that works?

Now we have round 2 in the Prez debate.  Obama will likely reference the 47% comment, within his 1st 2-3 sentences.  He'll be more energized, and he'll attempt to be on the offensive, as much as possible.  Of course, without his teleprompter, he might make Biden out to look like a polished orator.  Point being, that if its considered a "draw" at the end of the debate, that's a defacto Obama win.  At least to the left and MSM.

Let's watch and see how close my predicion comes to fruition
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Re: The goal of low expectations
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2012, 06:51:50 PM »
  This game is not working.

  Obama was put on a pedistal long ago, commentators felt a thrill to hear his melifulous voice, his speeches charmed Europe and Asia, his every word was dripping with wisdom.
   His election hearalded the beginning of a golden age , the seas will cease to rise and the economy will be distributed with perfect equity.

  Hope and change ment exactly whatever your fondest hope for change might be.

   Aliddins Genie could not live up to that hype.

  Go to "TV Tropes" and see "magic Negro" this buildup isn't just the work of Obama nor Obama and the Democrats, it is years abuilding , decades even.

   

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Re: The goal of low expectations
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2012, 06:53:16 PM »
....Now we have round 2 in the Prez debate.  Obama will likely reference the 47% comment, within his 1st 2-3 sentences.  He'll be more energized, and he'll attempt to be on the offensive, as much as possible.  Of course, without his teleprompter, he might make Biden out to look like a polished orator.  Point being, that if its considered a "draw" at the end of the debate, that's a defacto Obama win.  At least to the left and MSM.

Let's watch and see how close my prediction comes to fruition

Pre-Game

The pressure tonight is all on Barack Obama. His abysmal performance two weeks ago completely changed the nature of the campaign and he has to get the train back on track tonight, or he can curl up in the caboose and get some rest for the next three weeks.

Unlike the first debate, this is a "town hall" format in which members of the audience will ask questions. This will not like a town hall at your Rotary Club between two city council candidates where anyone can stand up and ask a question.

The audience - or at least those whose questions will be considered - has been picked by the Gallup organization to be likely voters who remain undecided in this election.

We have been told for six months that this race is frozen in place and the number of "undecided" voters is a tiny sliver of the electorate, but - as noted above - Obama has gone from +4.3 to about - 0.5 in just 13 days so apparently the electorate has thawed.

In a poll that has received remarkably little coverage this morning, the Daily Kos - the ultra-Liberal website, in conjunction with the SEIU conducted a poll showing Romney has burst out to a four percentage point lead 50% - 46%.

At first I thought it was a joke.

CNN's Candy Crowley - whom I greatly admire - is the moderator and will pre-select the questions to be asked during the 90 minute program.

In spite of a previously secret memorandum of understanding signed by the two campaigns in advance of the debate season that forbids it, Crowley has said publically that if one or both of the candidates dodges a question or fudges an answer she will intercede and ask for a clarification and/or correction.

This has led to both campaigns demanding she abide by the terms of their agreement - an agreement to which she was never a party. Nevertheless, it will be difficult for either candidate to refuse to respond to a query or comment by Crowley.

Because of the Denver debate, the bar for Obama is significantly higher tonight. Beating his sleep-walk shouldn't be difficult and (assuming he does) the Obama team will be out in force claiming a tide-changing performance tonight. Anything short of actually snoring while waiting his turn will be proclaimed, by the comedy team of Cutter & Axelrod, "a victory of historic proportions."

Obama needs to do well enough to stop the tide - especially among women - that has been flooding toward Romney, but he can't look desperate - no matter how desperate he might be.

The convention wisdom is (a) there will be fewer than the 68 million who watched the first debate and (b) the town hall format doesn't lend itself to the direct confrontation we saw in the first debate. I'm not sure I believe either.

Romney has the advantage of having proven he can compete with - and defeat - Obama in a head-to-head match-up. He doesn't have to repeat his overwhelming victory in Denver, but neither can he look like he's settling for a tie.

Romney has to demonstrate the same aura of confidence and competence he showed two weeks ago, without stretching over the line toward arrogance which would only feed The-Rich-Guy-Doesn't-Care-About-You story on which the Obamas have spent nearly a half billion dollars pushing. I'll have my post-game analysis immediately following the debate.
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Re: The goal of low expectations
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2012, 08:13:42 PM »
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: The goal of low expectations
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2012, 11:08:28 PM »


I am watching it now.

It does look like he has had a lot of coffee.

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Re: The goal of low expectations
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2012, 11:51:01 PM »
...and then some
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Re: The goal of low expectations
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2012, 12:30:18 AM »
This was a much better show than the first debate , Obama did more to show his style and Romney did not have it so easy .

If there is a problem for Obama it was not that he didn't work hard and with skill.

Factcheckers are going to rip him a new one , or two , but hey , good show.

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Re: The goal of low expectations
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2012, 04:48:56 AM »
Agreed on all points.  The MSM will undoubtedly call Obama "the winner", based largely on the fact he was better than his dismal performance last go around.  And of course, "Candy" did what she could to help the president.  I couldn't help but notice the loaded questions on gun control (the so called "assault weapons ban", and trying to point out Romney as flip flopping on the issue), as well as women's pay...all areas that Romney could have pounded Obama with, but for some reason, let him slip away, the biggest being how Obama claimed to have called the terrorist attack on 911 a terrorist attack the next day, yet his UN Ambassador is out on all the talk shows a week later, still claiming it was all some spontaneous uprising, based on a video.  Not to mention the President himself claiming that in the UN
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Re: The goal of low expectations
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2012, 10:49:31 AM »
Candy Crowley: Mitt Was Right About Benghazi

http://freebeacon.com/candy-crowley-he-was-right/
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Re: The goal of low expectations
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2012, 11:11:32 AM »
Oh great Candy "Leftist" Crowley now admits after the fact that Mitt was right about Benghazi....yeah after the debate and she stole away that moment when Obama was on the spot. Disgraceful!
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Re: The goal of low expectations
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2012, 11:35:33 AM »
Yea....each moderator has been progressively more Dem-friendly.  I imagine the next and last one will be moderated by Michael Moore
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Re: The goal of low expectations
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2012, 01:47:28 PM »
Crowley did a good job and was not impartial at all.

Romney was shown to be obscure as to his plans and clearly said a lot of stuff that was not true.

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Re: The goal of low expectations
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2012, 02:26:29 PM »
[quote author=Xavier_Onassis link=topic=17151.msg144510#msg144510 date=1350492448]
Crowley did a good job and was not impartial at all.[/quote]

I rest my case     8)

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Re: The goal of low expectations
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2012, 03:26:13 PM »
Rest in your case and take it to Forest Lawn with you, sirs.
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Re: The goal of low expectations
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2012, 03:50:40 PM »
Brilliant retort.  Rest assured, give Xo's track recod of being wrong on pretty much 99% of his claims, if he says Crowly did a good job and not impartial, then obviously she didn't and wasn't

Fact in point:
The liberal tilt of questions selected by CNN’s Candy Crowley was so obvious, even the gang on NBC’s Today — hardly a conservative bastion — thought it remarkable. Correspondent Chuck Todd opined Wednesday morning: “The President also benefitted from many questions posed by the so-called undecided voters, covering issues near and dear to his liberal base....”

Going into Tuesday night’s debate, the MRC calculated that since 1992, moderators have called upon voters with a liberal agenda twice as often as those with a conservative agenda. The citizens selected by Crowley matched that tilt exactly, with six pro-Obama/liberal-themed questions, vs. three pro-Romney questions, and two others scored as neutral.

Even worse, Crowley interjected herself into the debate to validate President Obama’s claim that “the day after the attack [in Libya], I stood in the Rose Garden and told the American people and the world that we are going to find out exactly what happened, that this was an act of terror....”

Crowley endorsed Obama’s version, telling Mitt Romney: “He did, in fact, sir, call it an act of terror.”

Not according to the transcript, which has Obama only speaking generically about how “no acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this nation,” not assigning that label to the violence in Benghazi. Among many others, the Washington Post’s fact checker, Glenn Kessler, pointed out the obvious: “He [Obama] did not say ‘terrorism’ — and it took the administration days to concede that it [was] an ‘act of terrorism’ that appears unrelated to initial reports of anger at a video that defamed the prophet Muhammad.”

Indeed, back on September 30, Crowley on her CNN Sunday program State of the Union, hit Obama advisor David Axelrod on exactly this point: “Why did it take them [the White House] until Friday [September 28], after a September 11 attack in Libya, to come to the conclusion that it was premeditated and that there was terrorists involved?”

In other words, Crowley knew the Obama administration initially tried to deny the Libya attack was terrorism, but suggested otherwise when it truly mattered, on a debate stage with tens of millions watching.

Add it all up, and Crowley’s posture on Tuesday night was that of a pro-Obama participant, not the impartial moderator that voters expect.

Apart from Crowley’s Libya blunder, her key role was to select the questions for the night. The Gallup polling organization located 82 undecided voters for the night, but Crowley and her staff chose the eleven that would actually get a chance to ask the candidates a question. Crowley showed a clear bias for liberal themes that must have pleased Obama. Examples (edited for brevity):

# In what new ways do you intend to rectify the inequalities in the workplace, specifically regarding females making only 72 percent of what their male counterparts earn?

# I attribute much of America’s economic and international problems to the failings and missteps of the Bush administration. Since both you [Governor Romney] and President Bush are Republicans, I fear a return to the policies of those years should you win this election. What is the biggest difference between you and George W. Bush?

# Mr. Romney, what do you plan on doing with immigrants without their green cards that are currently living here as productive members of society?

Crowley tapped this question a voter pressing Obama from the left on gun control: “During the Democratic National Convention in 2008, you stated you wanted to keep AK-47s out of the hands of criminals. What has your administration done or planned to do to limit the availability of assault weapons?”

Yet, there were no similar questions pushing Romney from the right. Indeed, the pro-Romney questions (about high gas prices, the voter who is not as optimistic about Obama as he was in 2008, and the attack in Libya) incorporated criticisms of Obama’s tenure, but none suggested a conservative or anti-liberal philosophical agenda.

The toughest question for Obama was the question about his administration’s obvious failure to provide necessary security for the Libyan consulate that was attacked on September 11: “The State Department refused extra security for our embassy in Benghazi, Libya, prior to the attacks that killed four Americans. Who was it that denied enhanced security and why?”

On CNN after the debate was over, Crowley talked with colleagues Dana Bash and Soledad O’Brien about the selection of questions, boasting about the most obvious liberal selections and suggesting she had even more such agenda questions ready to go: “We wanted to cover subjects that maybe folks hadn’t heard about....Gun control and immigration and women’s issues were the three big ones. Climate change — I had that question, for all you climate change people.”

On ABC after the debate, panelists Matthew Dowd and Donna Brazile both tried to pre-empt criticism of Crowley’s partisanship as conservative sour grapes. Dowd (a onetime George W. Bush strategist who now appears to be firmly left-of-center), taunted: “I think what this may lead to is a bunch of conservatives and Republicans attacking Candy Crowley, and when that happens, that is a sure sign that President Obama won this. When you start attacking the ref, or start attacking the umpire, it means you left a lot of plays on the field, and when you see that, you know they know they lost.”

One-time Gore 2000 campaign manager Donna Brazile agreed: “When Republicans lose debates, they always find something wrong with the moderator or the referee.”

But conservatives should be allowed to point out the obvious: Crowley first tipped the debate agenda in favor of Obama, and then jumped into the fray herself to support Obama on a key factual question.

If she had done the same for Mitt Romney, her news media colleagues wouldn’t be praising her the next day; they’d be slashing her as a partisan stooge.

"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle