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Re: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack!
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2012, 07:46:42 PM »
Seems as if one of two things was happening the days after the attack.

The Whitehouse was very confused .

The Whitehouse was trying to cover up mistakes.


Anyone have a third possibility to suggest?


The White House and State Department were investigating the matter trying to get at the truth, without jumping the gun like Quick Draw Mitt.
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Re: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack!
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2012, 07:50:46 PM »
Seems as if one of two things was happening the days after the attack.

The Whitehouse was very confused .

The Whitehouse was trying to cover up mistakes.


Anyone have a third possibility to suggest?


The White House and State Department were investigating the matter trying to get at the truth, without jumping the gun like Quick Draw Mitt.

That seems generous to the Whitehouse,they were investigating for two weeks ?

 What was Mitt wrong about?

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Re: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack!
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2012, 08:11:44 PM »
Waa

Waa

Waa

I believe we were discussing the emails and reports after the attack, yes?

Look at the title and abandon your tactic of trying to sidetrack the discussion, or I will gladly end the discussion.

Capische?

Did you really grasp what you just wrote?  Immediately responded in snarks and references to crying, then in a blink of an eye threaten to stop responding if I somehow don't properly address your response in the appropriate tone, that you alone are judging the post by.  Are your positions/proclaimations that fragile, they can't stand even moderate scrutiny?

Look, I'm glad you're taking some time to respond and debate.  Xo could seriously take some lessons from you as it relates to debating anti-conservative or anti-republican stances.  He should really pay attention to your positions as it relates to gun statistics, and the facts regarding gun useage.  I also appreciate that we haven't had the best communication history, and that you appear to be "taking a chance"

That said, the issue is pretty cut and dry here, despite your efforts to spin for the WH.  The emails VALIDATE everything before and after.  DID the research, DID think about it, and each time we come back with a timeline that can't be tweaked, no matter how hard you, Clinton, Biden, Rice, Carney, or Obama try to, in any other way, but truthfully.  No cherry picking at all, with the real point being how the MSM is pretty much whitewashing an issue you were throttling Bush for...that of going with the "best intel they had at the time".  That's quite the double standard you've adopted
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Re: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack!
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2012, 08:18:15 PM »
More blather. Should have known it would be a total waste of time.

Ta ta for now.
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Re: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack!
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2012, 08:56:34 PM »
Wow, serious debate = "blather"     ::)      Apparently its ok for you to debate the way I'm being criticized for.  Again, nice double standard.  Yea, let's skip the point of the issue being made, and........well just lemme know when that plans on changing
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Re: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack!
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2012, 09:29:27 PM »
Yea, let's skip the point of the issue being made, and...

The point being made, and the point I addressed, in case you missed it, was why this trumped up story about militant claims two hours after the attack was not posted as the lead story by any other news service, not even Reuters, who apparently dug up the story. The only ones who did so were Faux News, your favorite partisan news source.

Think about it, Sirs. You can be the naive, innocent lamb blindly following along, or you can actually do your own research and make your own judgements and decisions without running them by the party first.
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Re: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack!
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2012, 10:15:31 PM »
The point being made, and the point I addressed, in case you missed it, was why this trumped up story about militant claims two hours after the attack was not posted as the lead story by any other news service, not even Reuters,

Once again you miss the point....the big picture point!
The point isnt that the e-mails should have been the lead story.
The point is why did the White House send out their people to mislead before they knew all the facts?
You claim/imply SIRS...Fox News and MITT...run with an unsubstaniated story...jump to conclusions
But thats exactly what the White House did.
You defend the White House for what you claim Sirs and Fox News did.
UN Ambassador Susan Rice stated clearly it was a "spontaneous reaction" to a YouTube video.
But the emails and other info clearly now show that Ambassador Rice was speaking before the facts were in.
In fact the White House at best knew that it was possibly unclear what happened,
yet they march Rice out on the Sunday national news shows to say it was the video.
It's the worst of the worst...because they knew better because they had the most post-tragedy intel!
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Re: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack!
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2012, 10:32:06 PM »
If the President and staff were not yet sure what happened , what made them start blaming that video?

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Re: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack!
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2012, 10:56:42 PM »
The point being made, and the point I addressed, in case you missed it, was why this trumped up story about militant claims two hours after the attack was not posted as the lead story by any other news service, not even Reuters,

Once again you miss the point....the big picture point!
The point isnt that the e-mails should have been the lead story.
The point is why did the White House send out their people to mislead before they knew all the facts?

But thats exactly what the White House did.
You defend the White House for what you claim Sirs and Fox News did........It's the worst of the worst...because they knew better because they had the most post-tragedy intel!


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Re: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack!
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2012, 10:59:30 PM »
If the President and staff were not yet sure what happened , what made them start blaming that video?

That's a great question....especially when you watch how emphatically they were trying to lay this down on the video.  How many times was it referenced by Obama at the UN...HOW MANY DAYS AFTER 911?  A video, that I dare say, a fraction of a fraction of Middle East Muslims ever saw it, to begin with?
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Re: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack!
« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2012, 08:19:38 PM »


Something that a GOP Administration would be raked over the coals for, by the MSM, and likely by folks like H, given the parameters in place for Bush
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Re: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack!
« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2012, 08:42:09 PM »
Dereliction

1. Willful neglect, as of duty or principle.

2. a. The act of abandoning; abandonment.

    b. A state of abandonment or neglect.


Within two hours of the attack on the American Consulate in Benghazi, Libya on September 11, 2012, that resulted in the death of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans, an email was sent to the White House and State Department.

That first email was sent at 4:05 PM-ET (10:05 PM in Benghazi) and specifically mentioned that the Libyan group called Ansar al-Sharia, an al-Qaeda affiliated group, had claimed responsibility for the attacks. Fox News confirms that the addresses on the email included "a variety of national security platforms, whose addresses have been redacted, including the White House Situation Room, the Pentagon, the FBI and the Director of National Intelligence."

Two more emails were sent within the next two hours.



Internal government email sent Sept. 11 about ongoing attack on U.S. Consulate in Benghazi as published by Fox News

Yet, no action was taken to mobilize special operations forces or the significant military resources available in the region. The next morning, the President referred to the attack and other events against U.S. installations by radical Islamists as "bumps in the road."

In the six weeks since the assassinations in Benghazi, more questions than answers have emerged.

Why did the President and his administration deny any link to Islamist terror groups for weeks, promoting instead a false "spontaneous event" explanation?

Why did the Obama administration reject numerous requests for additional security by Ambassador Stevens and others for months before the attacks?

Why was the Embassy request for an extension of the 16 member Special Operations Security Team to remain in Libya to protect the Ambassador denied just a month before the attack?

And many, many more. 

But to that list we must now add: Was there a dereliction of duty? Was there a willful neglect of duty, an abandonment of Ambassador Stevens and his staff? If so, why?

Here's a detailed timeline published by Reuters of the email exchanges on that fateful night of September 11:

The first email, timed at 4:05 p.m. Washington time - or 10:05 p.m. Benghazi time, 20-30 minutes after the attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission allegedly began - carried the subject line "U.S. Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi Under Attack" and the notation "SBU", meaning "Sensitive But Unclassified."

The text said the State Department's regional security office had reported that the diplomatic mission in Benghazi was "under attack. Embassy in Tripoli reports approximately 20 armed people fired shots; explosions have been heard as well."

The message continued: "Ambassador Stevens, who is currently in Benghazi, and four ... personnel are in the compound safe haven. The 17th of February militia is providing security support."

A second email, headed "Update 1: U.S. Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi" and timed 4:54 p.m. Washington time, said that the Embassy in Tripoli had reported that "the firing at the U.S. Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi had stopped and the compound had been cleared." It said a "response team" was at the site attempting to locate missing personnel.

A third email, also marked SBU and sent at 6:07 p.m. Washington time, carried the subject line: "Update 2: Ansar al-Sharia Claims Responsibility for Benghazi Attack."

The message reported: "Embassy Tripoli reports the group claimed responsibility on Facebook and Twitter and has called for an attack on Embassy Tripoli."

While some information identifying recipients of this message was redacted from copies of the messages obtained by Reuters, a government source said that one of the addresses to which the message was sent was the White House Situation Room, the president's secure command post.

Other addressees included intelligence and military units as well as one used by the FBI command center, the source said.

It was not known what other messages were received by agencies in Washington from Libya that day about who might have been behind the attacks.

Intelligence experts caution that initial reports from the scene of any attack or disaster are often inaccurate.

By the morning of September 12, the day after the Benghazi attack, Reuters reported that there were indications that members of both Ansar al-Sharia, a militia based in the Benghazi area, and al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, the North African affiliate of al Qaeda's faltering central command, may have been involved in organizing the attacks.
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Re: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack!
« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2012, 05:12:38 AM »
...A third email, also marked SBU and sent at 6:07 p.m. Washington time, carried the subject line: "Update 2: Ansar al-Sharia Claims Responsibility for Benghazi Attack."

The message reported: "Embassy Tripoli reports the group claimed responsibility on Facebook and Twitter and has called for an attack on Embassy Tripoli."

While some information identifying recipients of this message was redacted from copies of the messages obtained by Reuters, a government source said that one of the addresses to which the message was sent was the White House Situation Room, the president's secure command post.

Other addressees included intelligence and military units as well as one used by the FBI command center, the source said.

It was not known what other messages were received by agencies in Washington from Libya that day about who might have been behind the attacks.

Intelligence experts caution that initial reports from the scene of any attack or disaster are often inaccurate.

By the morning of September 12, the day after the Benghazi attack, Reuters reported that there were indications that members of both Ansar al-Sharia, a militia based in the Benghazi area, and al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, the North African affiliate of al Qaeda's faltering central command, may have been involved in organizing the attacks.[/i]

What? Thats it? ROFL...

The article (to which Sirs so thoughtfully did not provode a URL) continues...

...One U.S. intelligence official said that during the first classified briefing about Benghazi given to members of Congress, officials "carefully laid out the full range of sparsely available information, relying on the best analysis available at the time."
 
The official added, however, that the initial analysis of the attack that was presented to legislators was mixed.
 
"Briefers said extremists were involved in attacks that appeared spontaneous, there may have been a variety of motivating factors, and possible links to groups such as (al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb and Ansar al-Sharia) were being looked at closely," the official said.

http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-told-militant-claim-two-hours-libya-010758099.html

He also fails to mention, as I did earlier, that the same group that claimed responsibility for the attack also later claimed they were not responsible.

But carry on, let us charge on ahead on only part of the story and bury our heads in the sand. It's true, it's true, because the party says it is, bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwk!
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Re: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack!
« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2012, 06:02:32 AM »
   The Whitehouse did not act properly before the attack, reduceing the security resorces at the embassy and annexs was a dumb move on the part of the State Department, was there any White house directive on the subject?

    During the attack , which apparently went on for hours, did anyone even tell the president? This is not clear, but the information was availible that is clear.

  After the attack the White HOuse hit the airwaves with a poorly thought out cover story , not what they should have done if they wern't sure , what they shoulod have done and did not was to "The White House and State Department were investigating the matter trying to get at the truth, without jumping the gun..." , Yes if they had been lo0oking into it before bradcasting an explanation that would have been more acceptable.

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Re: White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack!
« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2012, 11:03:47 AM »
...A third email, also marked SBU and sent at 6:07 p.m. Washington time, carried the subject line: "Update 2: Ansar al-Sharia Claims Responsibility for Benghazi Attack."

The message reported: "Embassy Tripoli reports the group claimed responsibility on Facebook and Twitter and has called for an attack on Embassy Tripoli."

While some information identifying recipients of this message was redacted from copies of the messages obtained by Reuters, a government source said that one of the addresses to which the message was sent was the White House Situation Room, the president's secure command post.

Other addressees included intelligence and military units as well as one used by the FBI command center, the source said.

It was not known what other messages were received by agencies in Washington from Libya that day about who might have been behind the attacks.

Intelligence experts caution that initial reports from the scene of any attack or disaster are often inaccurate.

By the morning of September 12, the day after the Benghazi attack, Reuters reported that there were indications that members of both Ansar al-Sharia, a militia based in the Benghazi area, and al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, the North African affiliate of al Qaeda's faltering central command, may have been involved in organizing the attacks.[/i]


What? Thats it? ROFL...

The article (to which Sirs so thoughtfully did not provode a URL) continues...

...One U.S. intelligence official said that during the first classified briefing about Benghazi given to members of Congress, officials "carefully laid out the full range of sparsely available information, relying on the best analysis available at the time."
 
The official added, however, that the initial analysis of the attack that was presented to legislators was mixed.
 
"Briefers said extremists were involved in attacks that appeared spontaneous, there may have been a variety of motivating factors, and possible links to groups such as (al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb and Ansar al-Sharia) were being looked at closely," the official said.

He also fails to mention, as I did earlier, that the same group that claimed responsibility for the attack also later claimed they were not responsible.

But carry on, let us charge on ahead on only part of the story and bury our heads in the sand. It's true, it's true, because the party says it is, bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwk!


Still missing "it"

Why did the President and his administration deny any link to Islamist terror groups for weeks, promoting instead a false "spontaneous event" explanation?

Why did the Obama administration reject numerous requests for additional security by Ambassador Stevens and others for months before the attacks?

Why was the Embassy request for an extension of the 16 member Special Operations Security Team to remain in Libya to protect the Ambassador denied just a month before the attack?

But carry on ....spin...spin....it's not true its not true, because the White House says it's not, bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwk
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