White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack!

[BT]

Sure could have fooled most people.  Your inferences were pretty transparent.  But if you want to back down from that position, that'd be a very rational thing to do

How does one back down from a position one never had?

[sirs]

From the simple point of view that from Day 1 of the Bush bashing train, it was Bush (now referred to as Bushco, I guess) who supposedly disregarded or ignored or manipulated all "facts & intel" to the contrary to Saddam's WMD and terrorist connections, to take us into Iraq, regardless.  Now its apparently not Bush specifically, but Cheney and Bush's "advisers" that knew Saddam had no WMD, but gullible Bush bought into their nefarious plan that he did, and into Iraq we went

[BT]

That didn't answer my question. How does one back down from a position they never had.

Quote from: hnumpah on Today at 08:04:07 AM

    As for Sirs, i do not recall ever coming out and saying Bush, personally, lied us into the war in Iraq.

Quote from Sirs:
Sure could have fooled most people.  Your inferences were pretty transparent.  But if you want to back down from that position, that'd be a very rational thing to do


I think the logical thing to do would be to show where he did in fact say Bush personally lied us into war.

I think the problem is is that you are giving more weight to your interpretation of what he said than to what he actually said. So in essence what you are saying is he is backing down from what you assert he meant. And i don't know that he can back down from your assertion as he has nothing to back down from, if he never said what you assert he said.

[sirs]

That didn't answer my question. How does one back down from a position they never had. .....I think the problem is is that you are giving more weight to your interpretation of what he said than to what he actually said.   So in essence what you are saying is he is backing down from what you assert he meant. And i don't know that he can back down from your assertion as he has nothing to back down from, if he never said what you assert he said.

I stand by the clear references he's made at how nefarious "Bushco" supposedly has been, in taking us into Iraq.  Here, let's try to clear the air

H, did Bushco lie us into war?

[BT]

So your are shifting his position from Bush personally lied to BushCo lied?

Because his response was to this statement of yours.

That in no way, even remotely comes close to the notion that Bush lied us into war

Posted by: sirs
on: Today at 03:01:53 AM

[Christians4LessGvt]

I think the logical thing to do would be to show where he did in fact say Bush personally lied us into war.

BT....if one is bored enough...how does one do that?

I was certainly left with the impression that in the past,
possibly even years ago that  this "hnumpah" character
who appears to suffer from "BDS" (Bush Derangement Syndrome)
has implied that Bush/Republicans lied us into war.

[hnumpah]

ROFL

Um, I did a search under my username - something so simple to do, yet some folks in here just can't seem to grasp it - going back to 2006 (which seems to be about as far back in the archives as I can go) for the phrase 'Bush lied'. i came up with several for Bushco lied, but none where I ever specifically said that Bush hmself lied. I did find this oldie but goodie though:

3DHS / Re: Speaking of lying
« Message by hnumpah on December 09, 2006, 17:20:31 »
So, um, when did Bush commit perjury by lying under oath, a la Bubba?

It seems you never will get it. Clinton did not just lie - he lied under oath, which is perjury, which is a crime.

Can you point out any specific, chargeable crimes Bush has committed?

Stupidity doesn't count.

In response to your question, S, someone obviously pushed the incorrect 'intelligence', I'd say someone with an agenda and something to gain if we invaded Iraq. I'll leave it to you to draw your own conclusions with your much touted objectivity, logic and focus on the facts.

BTW, you might try some of that objectivity next tme you go whining about the news media not making some story their lead. Ask yourself, is it really worth a lead, or is it just some over the top tidbit overblown by someone with an agenda who omits other facts that might counter their position. That also blew your focus on the facts claim out of the water, since you didn't take time to research them, just went on your whiny little rant. As for logic, well, two out of three didn't pan out, I wouldn't rely on that much either.

[BT]

BT....if one is bored enough...how does one do that?

Not sure what you are saying here CU. Please clarify.

[Christians4LessGvt]

ROFL Um, I did a search under my username - going back to 2006 for the phrase 'Bush lied'.
i came up with several for Bushco lied, but none where I ever specifically said that Bush himself lied.

Yeah ROFL indeed!
I guess you thought it may look better if
you busted youself before you were busted by SIRS.
You knew he'd find the truth!
Bush lied vs BushCo lied.....oh brother.
Huge difference there dude....lol...."Define is" here we go.


hnumpah implying President Bush used outright "falsehoods & fabrications"
"Do you feel he is the one that relied on cherrypicked intel,
half truths, and out and out (right) falsehoods and fabrications to send troops in?"

http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/iglesias-went-on-lots-of-trips/msg20713/#msg20713

[hnumpah]

Not really nitwit. I have no faith whatsoever in Sirs' search skills. Hell, he didn't even have the gumption to find the truth before he started whining about the story in this thread. Hmmm, for that matter, neither did you before you posted it.

And I said he relied on them, dumbass, not that he himself made them up.

Nice try though.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Not really nitwit.

Ok HUMPY

I have no faith whatsoever in Sirs' search skills.

Nice cover....better to come clean and bust yourself rather
than allow SIRS to show what you really are..

And I said he relied on them, dumbass,

Ok HUMPY

not that he himself made them up.

Dude before SIRS was gonna nail you, you were forced to admit
"i came up with several for Bushco lied,
but none where I ever specifically said that Bush hmself lied"
As if "Bushco lied" would never be confused with Bush!
In fact I am sure if someone said hnumpahCo was a lying sack of shit,
no one could ever think that meant hnumpah was a liar.
SIRS makes you look pretty desperate!

[hnumpah]

And you make yourself look like and absolute moron.

Neener neener neener.

[Christians4LessGvt]

And you make yourself look like and absolute moron

"and absolute moron"

?

calm down and quit trying to be such a bully all the time

[hnumpah]

Lol, if the worst you can find to say about me, with any grain of truth in it, is that I make spelling mistakes, I'm still waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of your sorry ass.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Lol, if the worst you can find to say about me, with any grain of truth in it, is that I make spelling mistakes,

The important stuff has already been proven in this thread, thanks to SIRS.
The spelling highlight was more for a giggle.
I usually never mention spelling errors/grammatical errors.
Of course we all make them when we get in a hurry.
The one exception is when someone is calling you a moron or an idiot.
I've always found it funny...
when someone calls someone else a moron/idiot but can't even spell the attack correctly.
I know you're a bright guy hnumpah.....but you must admit it's funny.

I'm still waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of your sorry ass.

Like I said, chill out and don't be such a bully.