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pretty amazing.....
« on: November 09, 2012, 11:51:15 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2012, 01:23:14 AM »
Four more years--what is going on here?

Only in America can a president who inherits a deep recession and whose policies have actually made the effects of that recession worse get re-elected.
Only in America can a president who wants the bureaucrats who can’t run the Post Office to micromanage the administration of every American’s health care get re-elected.
Only in America can a president who kills Americans overseas who have never been charged or convicted of a crime get re-elected.
And only in America can a president who borrowed and spent more than $5 trillion in fewer than four years, plans to repay none of it and promises to borrow another $5 trillion in his second term get re-elected.

What’s going on here?

What is going on is the present-day proof of the truism observed by Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton, who rarely agreed on anything in public: When the voters recognize that the public treasury has become a public trough, they will send to Washington not persons who will promote self-reliance and foster an atmosphere of prosperity, but rather those who will give away the most cash and thereby create dependency. This is an attitude that, though present in some localities in the colonial era, was created at the federal level by Woodrow Wilson and Theodore Roosevelt, magnified by FDR, enhanced by LBJ, and eventually joined in by all modern-day Democrats and most contemporary Republicans.

Mitt Romney is one of those Republicans. He is no opponent of federal entitlements, and he basically promised to keep them where they are. Where they are is a cost to taxpayers of about $1.7 trillion a year. Under President Obama, however, the costs have actually increased, and so have the numbers of those who now receive them. Half of the country knows this, and so it has gleefully sent Obama back to office so he can send them more federal cash taken from the other half.

It is fair to say that Obama is the least skilled and least effective American president since Jimmy Carter, but he is far more menacing. His every instinct is toward the central planning of the economy and the federal regulation of private behavior. He has no interest in protecting American government employees in harm’s way in Libya, and he never admits he has been wrong about anything. Though he took an oath to uphold the Constitution, he treats it as a mere guideline, whose grand principles intended to guarantee personal liberty and a diffusion of power can be twisted and compromised to suit his purposes. He rejects the most fundamental of American values -- that our rights come from our Creator, and not from the government. His rejection of that leads him to an expansive view of the federal government, which permits it, and thus him, to right any wrong, to regulate any behavior and to tax any event, whether authorized by the Constitution or not, and to subordinate the individual to the state at every turn.

As a practical matter, we are in for very difficult times during Obama’s second term. ObamaCare is now here to stay; so, no matter who you are or how you pay your medical bills, federal bureaucrats will direct your physicians in their treatment of you, and they will see your medical records. As well, Obama is committed to raising the debt of the federal government to $20 trillion. So, if the Republican-controlled House of Representatives goes along with this, as it did during Obama’s first term, the cost will be close to $1 trillion in interest payments every year. As well, everyone’s taxes will go up on. New Year’s Day, as the Bush-era tax cuts will expire then. The progressive vision of a populace dependent on a central government and a European-style welfare state is now at hand.

Though I argued during the campaign that this election was a Hobson’s choice between big government and bigger government, and that regrettably it addressed how much private wealth the feds should seize and redistribute and how much private behavior they should regulate, rather than whether the Constitution permits them to do so, and though I have argued that we have really one political party whose two branches mirror each other’s wishes for war and power, it is unsettling to find Obama back in the White House for another four years. That sinking feeling comes from the knowledge that he is free from the need to keep an eye on the electorate, and from the terrible thought that he may be the authoritarian we have all known and feared would visit us one day and crush our personal freedoms.

Worse than Greece?
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2012, 02:09:03 AM »
People vote. Acreage does not vote.

That is as it should be.
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2012, 11:49:10 PM »
That map is a good illistration of this fact.

There is a serious divide between Rural people and City people.

This might be the last election in which the rural vote is entered into the calculation at all.

Consider that the rural can get along fine without the city, that is the condition of most of human history.

But the city still depends a lot on the rural.

How is this going to lead to anything less than serfdom outside the city limits and destitution within?

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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2012, 04:12:03 AM »
Well summized, Plane
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2012, 01:24:46 PM »
Consider that the rural can get along fine without the city, that is the condition of most of human history.

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I have considered it, and other than the Amish, it is simply FALSE. Cities produce farm machinery, refine fuels, generate electricity, and provide consumers for every cash crop the farms produce. Subsistence farmers and near subsistence farmers like the Amish could get along without cities.

There is no reason why Wyoming residents should have SIX TIMES the influence of California voters in the Electoral College. We don't need the Electoral College.

All the dumb map proves is that Americans are not spread evenly about the country. We tend to settle near where crops can be grown,and transportation by river and ocean is most accessible. There are REASONS why Loving County, Texas has under 200 people. It is mostly an alkali desert where no one can grow anything ,and it is not on the road to anywhere anyone would want to go. The same is true of huge parts of Utah, Arizona, Oregon, Nevada, Alaska and other states. I drove from McDermitt, Nevada to Bend, Oregon one night and did not see even one other car for well over 150 miles. Why should the acreage of the East Oregon desert have an equal say in who runs the country? Almost no one lives there. A country is an assemblage of people, not acreage.


Democracy dictates that we ditch the Electoral College and all opt for homeschooling by only paying attention to the popular vote.
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2012, 02:05:29 PM »
The system we have allows people with no intrest at all in the land to ruin it and call the shots for people who inhabit the vast tracts.

Land does not vote , and we are moving into an era in which people who know the land might as well not vote.

This is not a good feature , it is a budding problem.

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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2012, 02:26:43 PM »
The system we have allows people with no intrest at all in the land to ruin it and call the shots for people who inhabit the vast tracts.

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It is hardly difficult to protect the land from degradation.

West Virginia has a fairly large population, and a lot of it has been spoiled by mountaintop removal strip mining by companies that do not belong to West Virginians. Mining and other extractive industries ruin the land more than most other industries.

The vote has really very little to do with this. Desperate people who have little education will work for outstate companies and poison their own environment for future generations rather than starve. I really do not think that keeping the Electoral College is protecting West Virginia from degradation in any way. Laws passed at the state and local levels have done a lot more than the EC could ever do.
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2012, 08:47:33 PM »
That problem has nothing to do with the concentration of power into the hands of people who are absolutely ignorant of the flyover country?

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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2012, 12:33:44 AM »
BINGO!!
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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2012, 01:28:40 AM »
Allowing acreage to vote will certainly not protect the environment.

I have no idea what the Bingo was about.
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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2012, 01:49:31 AM »
No, it is largely unrelated.

Most of the large coal mines in WV and KY belong to people from out of state. They many know what a mess they are making, but they just do not care.
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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2012, 01:51:56 AM »
Allowing acreage to vote will certainly not protect the environment.

I have no idea what the Bingo was about.

That just means that you are a case in point.
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You have part of the truth , the land does nothing to protect itself.
The people who live on it tend to do the best they know how to do to protect it.
But more every year such people who are close to the land are overwhelmed by the people who are not even aware that we are all dependant on the condition of the land.

Farming is being collectivised and farms are being worked by employees of large corporations more all the time.

It is severely land reform in reverse.

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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2012, 01:55:04 AM »
Some people who live on land protect it, others do not, especially miners.

Look at a picture of Butte, Montana sometime and ask yourself if the  people of Butte seem to have been good caretakers.
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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2012, 01:56:23 AM »
No, it is largely unrelated.

Most of the large coal mines in WV and KY belong to people from out of state. They many know what a mess they are making, but they just do not care.


You have just stated the same thing I would have said, without making the connection I find inescapable.