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Re: Israel launches aerial assaults on Gaza
« Reply #75 on: November 20, 2012, 04:41:58 PM »
When was it that the Isrelis agreed to the borders they had in 1966?

When have the Palestinians , or any other Arabs, agreed to those borders?

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« Reply #76 on: November 20, 2012, 08:14:34 PM »
According to the UN Convention, No nation may annex any part of another without the consent of the inhabitants.

Golan was stolen from Syria and chunks of the West Bank have been stolen on a continuing basis for a really long time. Gaza was stolen but they gave it back. The people of Gaza hate Israel far more than the West Bankers,and Israel was getting weary of having their soldiers killed,maimed and otherwise traumatized, just as happened in Lebanon.
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« Reply #77 on: November 20, 2012, 08:34:51 PM »
That must be good news for Tibet and Tiwan.

What did the UN do about the 1967 war before the 1967 war?

Perusal of the map makes it seem that the border drawn by the UN was gerrymandered tomake the 67 war hard to avoid.

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« Reply #78 on: November 20, 2012, 08:51:15 PM »
According to the UN Convention, No nation may annex any part of another without the consent of the inhabitants.

Someone needed to tell that to messers Syria, Egypt, and Jordan, before they tried attacking Israel.  Bad move on their parts, and still nothing stolen, as Israel merely took lands to better defend themselves. 

Try as you may Xo, you can't re-write history. 

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« Reply #79 on: November 21, 2012, 01:15:24 AM »
That must be good news for Tibet and Tiwan.

Taiwan is independent  now, but it was always claimed that it was a part of China in the days of the Emperor. It was taken away from China by the Japanese and returned to the Nationalists by the US. The people of Taiwan were not consulted when this was done,by the way.Tibet was also claimed by the  Empire.   It was too remote to govern and too poor to mess with  by the ROC, which also claimed it. There are many, many diverse nationalities within China other than the Tibetans.The West does not try to claim their right to independence, because they are also politically Communist.Tibet resisted and there was a Cold War on, and the Dalai Lama is a very charismatic fellow.

I see few similarities between Taiwan and Tibet and the colonization of the West Bank. Totally different situations.

Like the Taiwanese and the Tibetans, I favor the  independence of the Palestinians.

The Zionists are thieves.Face it.
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« Reply #80 on: November 21, 2012, 04:38:28 AM »
History & reality would say otherwise, I'm afraid
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« Reply #81 on: November 21, 2012, 02:32:57 PM »
You do not know diddly-squat about history OR reality, unless it is about the Bizarro World of sirs.
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« Reply #82 on: November 21, 2012, 02:37:23 PM »
That must be good news for Tibet and Tiwan.

Taiwan is independent  now, but it was always claimed that it was a part of China in the days of the Emperor. It was taken away from China by the Japanese and returned to the Nationalists by the US. The people of Taiwan were not consulted when this was done,by the way.Tibet was also claimed by the  Empire.   It was too remote to govern and too poor to mess with  by the ROC, which also claimed it. There are many, many diverse nationalities within China other than the Tibetans.The West does not try to claim their right to independence, because they are also politically Communist.Tibet resisted and there was a Cold War on, and the Dalai Lama is a very charismatic fellow.

I see few similarities between Taiwan and Tibet and the colonization of the West Bank. Totally different situations.

Like the Taiwanese and the Tibetans, I favor the  independence of the Palestinians.

The Zionists are thieves.Face it.

The Zionists predate the actual Isreal, I am not sure when they started as a movement.
But the Jews have been singing about returning to their homeland for centurys.
If there is a statute of limitations on such claims , then the problem becomes keeping the Palestenians out untill that time has passed.
Or if there is no statute of limits on such claims , then the Palistenians are theives.

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« Reply #83 on: November 21, 2012, 04:06:52 PM »
The Jews invaded Canaan when they left Egypt around 1225 BCE. Joshua pulled out his horn and played musical genocide on Jericho and threw the Canaanites out (of course, converting some, enslaving others). The Philistines arrived, probably from Mycenean Greece by boats and with pigs, around 1175BCE. After that there were other invasions and migrations, notably those resulting from the conquest of the area by Alexander the Great around 332, who took it from the Persians and Syrians.
After Alexander came the Herods, first as Roman allies, then as satraps, then a very brief Jewish state of the failed Messiah Shimon Ben Kochkba, then the Romans again, and then the Byzantines and the Turks, who ruled through the end of WWI.


The argument of who was there first is not relevant. Zionism began with Theodore Herzl, a Hungarian Ashkenazi Jew, in 1897.

I fail to make any sense of what you wrote. Check out Wikipedia.
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« Reply #84 on: November 21, 2012, 04:14:54 PM »
You do not know diddly-squat about history OR reality, unless it is about the Bizarro World of sirs.

Wrong again.  I would be willing to consider that I'm wrong......as soon as I start seeing you referencing how the U.S. stole CA & Texas, with the need that the U.S. give those states back to Mexico.  Oh yea, we best give most of the rest of the country back to our Native Americans.  Think they'll let us keep living here?

In other words, this country is FAR more gulity of stealing any lands, than Israel, as they simply were defending themselves from enemies surrounding them.  The lands taken, as an aftermath to the wars waged on Israel, were IN DEFENSE OF THEIR RIGHT TO EXIST.  THEY STOLE NOTHING
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« Reply #85 on: November 21, 2012, 09:27:13 PM »
The Jews invaded Canaan when they left Egypt around 1225 BCE. Joshua pulled out his horn and played musical genocide on Jericho and threw the Canaanites out (of course, converting some, enslaving others). The Philistines arrived, probably from Mycenean Greece by boats and with pigs, around 1175BCE. After that there were other invasions and migrations, notably those resulting from the conquest of the area by Alexander the Great around 332, who took it from the Persians and Syrians.
After Alexander came the Herods, first as Roman allies, then as satraps, then a very brief Jewish state of the failed Messiah Shimon Ben Kochkba, then the Romans again, and then the Byzantines and the Turks, who ruled through the end of WWI.


The argument of who was there first is not relevant. Zionism began with Theodore Herzl, a Hungarian Ashkenazi Jew, in 1897.

I fail to make any sense of what you wrote. Check out Wikipedia.

What you wrote is pretty clear , invasion followed by invasion, followed by invasion.

It is the human way.

When the Turks lost it they lost possession to England , which hardly wanted it .

They admistered it and allowed settlers many of whom were Zionists or Jews who were not Zionists.
Then after WWII a whole lot of Jews decided that they didn't like living in Europe anymore.
The King of Saudi Arabia suggested that slices of the defeated countrys be devoted to a homeland for Jews, but his suggestion was not considered and lots of displaced Jews arrived in the British protectorate, more even than the British wanted.
Palistine was lightly settled ,Jeruslem was small as citys go.
There was plenty of room.
Zionists started fighting the English , including some ugly terrorist style bombings , this was happening to the English in several more important countrys too so the English came to terms .
 Arabs got kinda alarmed at what was happening and fighting broke out between the Jews and the Arabs.

The US recognised Isreal as a country , lots of other countrys and the UN also.

Now we don't want Isreal to exist?

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Re: Israel launches aerial assaults on Gaza
« Reply #86 on: November 22, 2012, 09:18:38 AM »
Whether Israel exists or not is not up to me,and that is not the issue.  The issue is the manipulation of Gaza by Netanyahu to win an election by assassination,  and the FACT that Israel must make a deal to allow the Palestinians to have their own country.
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« Reply #87 on: November 22, 2012, 10:07:09 AM »
If an assasination wins an election , the the votors must like the assination.

What was Biden wont to say?

"General Motors is alive and Osama Bin Laden is DEAD!"

I don't think we held his discourtesy to Hitler against Eisenhour either.

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« Reply #88 on: November 22, 2012, 12:15:36 PM »
Killing Bin Laden was not done to provoke an attack on the US. Killing the Hamas leader obviously had that goal.

The Hamas leader knew the job was dangerous when he took it,as Super Chicken often said to his sidekick, Fred.

Killing anyone in the Middle East will always be followed by a desire for vengeance. Al Qaeda was not equipped to carry out an attack on US civilians, though. Of course, assassinating a US president is no more immoral than a US president assassinating someone else.

All assassinations are by nature immoral.
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« Reply #89 on: November 22, 2012, 12:32:56 PM »
Finally a disagreement.

Osama Bin Laden had it coming ,, in my estimation, and I feel that the population of the US feels the same overall.

But his killing did indeed provoke retaliation.

Nevertheless it was a good idea and completely morally correct, there was no hope for peace negotiation with Osama Bin Laden and no point in preventing his assassination.

If Osama Bin Laden had real controll of Al Quieda , and was wont to negotiate peace , there might have been a case to make against his killing, but neither was the case.

Al Quieda is not a criminal enterprise , it is a gang at war, a war of attrition should be waged to reduce them from the top down and the bottom up.

If all acts of War are deploreable , then yes it is a game that no one should be playing.

But Osama Bin Laden signed his death warrant himself ,, his assignation was a good days work.