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Re: Europe's New Fascists
« Reply #45 on: November 25, 2012, 09:44:19 AM »
There are no Fascists in Palestine for the same reason that there are no Jewish coalminers. It is culturally antithetic.

 Fascism claims that there is no class struggle, there are no differences between the social classes. Donations to the poor is one of the Five Pillars of Islam. To say that there are no rich and no poor classes and no conflict between them is a ridiculous assumption in a society in which there was widespread slavery just a couple of generations ago. The Muslim religion assumes that there are poor and always will be poor people:there will always be social classes and even castes.

The common Arab name Abdul means "slave, servant". No European would name his son slave or servant. Abdullah means Servant of Allah.

I don't think Brits name their sons "Jeeves" anymore.

Fascism in Palestine is as culturally alien as polygamy (or polyandry)in the US.
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Re: Europe's New Fascists
« Reply #46 on: November 25, 2012, 12:04:32 PM »
How did Fascists reconcile the concept of Ubermech with the idea that there are no classes?

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« Reply #47 on: November 25, 2012, 01:21:39 PM »
There is no class struggle among the German people. That was what the Nazis claimed.

People are divided, not by class, but by race. Some races were destined for greatness, others were simply drudges.

The Aryan race is superior to the Slavs, who make good slaves. In fact, that is where the word Slav comes from.
The Jews were inferior, but very sneaky and deceptive. The Gypsies were also inferior,but not  into high finance, as were the Jews. That was the way the Nazis perceived the world.

A man named Spengler said that each race in Europe would have its days of glory. The Spanish,Italians, French and British had all been on top, and now it was the turn of the Germans to rule.

Antisemitism was appealing to the Germans, because after WWI, the German economy collapsed,and Germans were forced to  pawn and sell their prized possessions to buy food. The pawnbrokers were mostly Jews. Being as there was huge inflation at the time, it was a certainly that the pawnbroker would sell or redeem at what looked like a huge profit, because the prices were linked to the British pound or the price of gold.

There were some Jews in the Kaiser's Army, but Jews did not see military service as a major patriotic obligation. The Russians tended to use Jews as cannon fodder, and rarely survived wars.
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Re: Europe's New Fascists
« Reply #48 on: November 25, 2012, 02:36:42 PM »
So they were lieing about there being no class struggle in their system, they just linked class to racism and nationalism.

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« Reply #49 on: November 25, 2012, 02:52:14 PM »
There is some sort of class struggle everywhere there are bosses and employees, so of course they were saying something that was not true. Some doubtless believed it was not true, because not all of the exploited are aware that they are exploited, so I am not sure that the word "lying" applies.

Some jobs are unpleasant, difficult and dangerous no matter whether you are working for boss or yourself. Unblocking a septic tank is going to be difficult and nasty and really hard to blame on the boss, the Jews or the Commissars.  It has been my experience that the person to blame simply flushed something down the toilet that did not belong there.
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Re: Europe's New Fascists
« Reply #50 on: November 25, 2012, 03:28:42 PM »
I could agree that Fascism has lies built into its core philosophies, these lies became evident to the people who believed them after much misery was caused .

  So how does this connect with the Greeks who are harsh towards immigrants qualifying as fascists?

Is the common factor an overemphasis on Nationalism?

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« Reply #51 on: November 25, 2012, 03:48:40 PM »
Greece is closer to Africa by sea than other nations. Africans find it easier to sneak into Libya from Chad than through Mauritania and Morocco. Because of wind and currents, they often end up in Malta rather than Sicily,and from Malta a lot of them end up in Greece.

Greece has a serious class division problem, and all of Greece's neighbors are much poorer than Greece. Greece is a very easy country to sneak into.

A few wealthy Greeks own most of everything and are very good at not paying taxes. The middle class consists of a lot of government workers who are much more easy to tax.
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Re: Europe's New Fascists
« Reply #52 on: November 25, 2012, 04:41:41 PM »
I guess I don't understand your answer.

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« Reply #53 on: November 25, 2012, 08:29:54 PM »
The Greek Fascists are the main reason for the large Fascist minority party.They blame the foreigners for everything: they blame the illegal immigrants for unemployment and the richer Eurozone countries for not bailing  them out. Just as in the US the same people that rant against illegal Mexicans also rant against the Chinese undervaluing their currency.
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Re: Europe's New Fascists
« Reply #54 on: November 25, 2012, 10:02:50 PM »
OK, and Palestenians are not doing any of that?

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« Reply #55 on: November 26, 2012, 11:31:54 AM »
No,how could they?

The Palestinians do not complain about poor immigrants taking their jobs,no. The Palestinians have no control over who is admitted into Gaza and the West Bank.

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Re: Europe's New Fascists
« Reply #56 on: November 26, 2012, 11:44:44 AM »
No,how could they?

The Palestinians do not complain about poor immigrants taking their jobs,no. The Palestinians have no control over who is admitted into Gaza and the West Bank.

I thought their main complaint was about the immagrants.

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« Reply #57 on: November 26, 2012, 11:47:36 AM »
There are no immigrants into the West Bank and Gaza allowed by the Palestinian Authority.

The Jewish settlers are clearly unwelcome in the West bank. But the PA has no control over this.

Fascism in Palestine is irrelevant.
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« Reply #58 on: November 26, 2012, 11:54:18 AM »
There are no immigrants into the West Bank and Gaza allowed by the Palestinian Authority.

The Jewish settlers are clearly unwelcome in the West bank. But the PA has no control over this.

Fascism in Palestine is irrelevant.

What do the worst greek "fasiscists" want more than that?


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Re: Europe's New Fascists
« Reply #59 on: November 26, 2012, 12:31:08 PM »
The question does not make sense to me.
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