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Xavier_Onassis

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Re: Israel launches aerial assaults on Gaza
« Reply #90 on: November 22, 2012, 02:39:47 PM »
Killing Bin Laden was a wise decision,but that does not make it a moral one.

The US refuses to recognize the World Court, so trying him there was not an option.But that would have been the moral response.The President could not get Congress to recognize the World Court, so assassinating Bin Laden was the best solution available to him.

Netanyahu ordering the assassination of the leader of Hamas was different, because Israel is morally obligated to negotiate with Hamas. The US did not need to negotiate with Bin Laden.
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Re: Israel launches aerial assaults on Gaza
« Reply #91 on: November 22, 2012, 03:08:59 PM »
Killing Bin Laden was a wise decision,but that does not make it a moral one.

And the same could be said about Israel taking out Hamas leadership.  As could be said about Obama using drones to take out Terrorist suspects (noting also no apparent trial)

Your dislike for Bibi is likely clouding any possible objectivity as it relates to the likelyhood that it was far more a wise decision than some feigned effort at getting relected.  Especially when you consider there is no "moral obligation" to negotiate with an organization who's primary purpose is to kill you.  At that point, you're merely defending yourself
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Re: Israel launches aerial assaults on Gaza
« Reply #92 on: November 22, 2012, 04:41:34 PM »
Killing Bin Laden was a wise decision,but that does not make it a moral one.

The US refuses to recognize the World Court, so trying him there was not an option.But that would have been the moral response.The President could not get Congress to recognize the World Court, so assassinating Bin Laden was the best solution available to him.

Netanyahu ordering the assassination of the leader of Hamas was different, because Israel is morally obligated to negotiate with Hamas. The US did not need to negotiate with Bin Laden.

Being tryed in the world court was absolutly an option.
The US is not the only country he offended.
Osama Bin Laden could have gone at any time and presented himself to the world court, and right now I think he wishes he had.

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Re: Israel launches aerial assaults on Gaza
« Reply #93 on: November 23, 2012, 10:10:06 AM »
Being tryed in the world court was absolutly an option.

No,it was not. Like any criminal, Bin Laden was not going to present himself to the Court.Only the US could capture him,and since the US is not a mamber of the Court and does not recognize its authority, they would never have simply arrested him and delivered him alive to the World Court.
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The US is not the only country he offended.

None of the others had the ability or inclination to pursue him. The Saudis would have beheaded him on sight.
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Osama Bin Laden could have gone at any time and presented himself to the world court, and right now I think he wishes he had.
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I really doubt that Bin Laden is wishing anything. He is dead and gone.

Bin Laden turning himself in would have been impossible even if he had tried. It is not like he could just hop on a plane and fly from Karachi to the Hague. But there is no reason he would try. I imagine that he expected to die as a martyr to his Cause.  The idea of recreating a Muslim Caliphate is as silly as uniting all of Christendom under the Pope. Like all fanatics, he was incapable of rational thought. 

I really question that he is capable of any thought at the moment. His brains have surely been devoured by the fish by now.
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Re: Israel launches aerial assaults on Gaza
« Reply #94 on: November 23, 2012, 08:14:33 PM »
What makes you call Osama Bin Laden a criminal?

Was he ever convicted of anything?

It was certainly his option to surrender to his favorite authority,criminals do this all the time, innocent people do it too, in the hope of a fair trial.If he had understood the concept of eternal appeals the way an American or European lawyer can do them he could have made his trial a bully pulpit that would give him a stage for many years.

Might have been better than hiding under the wing of the Pakistani Army , he would certainly have been protected from assassination better.

Ayman al-Zawahiri! If you are listening out there heed this! Your death would serve any American who accomplishes it towards becoming president, but you can foil that and be heard in public every week if you surrender to a trial at the Hague. It won't be hard either, start at a Peruvian Embassy or a Belgin embassy , or perhaps just for humors sake surrender at a Danish embassy!
In any case there is no death penalty and no extradition to where there is, you could have free food till you die of old age and be heard frequently without dooming your courier.
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Re: Israel launches aerial assaults on Gaza
« Reply #95 on: November 23, 2012, 10:05:12 PM »
He would have had to get there first.

Not likely.

This is simply moot,since Bin Laden is dead.
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Re: Israel launches aerial assaults on Gaza
« Reply #96 on: November 23, 2012, 10:38:08 PM »
He would have had to get there first.

Not likely.

This is simply moot,since Bin Laden is dead.
It became moot pretty suddenly.
But for Ayman al-Zawahiri it is not yet moot.
If he can remain hidden for a decade or two , turning himself in to the authoritys should be quite easy.
He just has to pick the authority that will try him in the right place.
He certainoy doesn't want to get captured by Americans , he could die of old age in Guantanamo if that happened.