BDS?.....check out Buffettitis

[sirs]

And why isn't exactly what Obama begged for last year, all of a sudden, "not enough now"?  Not enough what?, when it doesn't even dent the debt any greater than 7%??

[Plane]

WHY raise them when it'll generate decreased expansion, decreased economic growth, decreased employment, and throw us into another recession??

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Because this assertion is totally FALSE ratbag rightwing crap.

I guess I could be wrong , but I don't see the falseness.

When the government subtracts money from the economy , it has no effect on the economy?

I do not beleive in perpetual motion machines for this same reason.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The government does not cause money to vanish. The government could spend it on building a highway or a bridge, or even on weapons. It is quite likely that the government will create as many jobs with the money as the private sector.

[Plane]

The government does not cause money to vanish. The government could spend it on building a highway or a bridge, or even on weapons. It is quite likely that the government will create as many jobs with the money as the private sector.

No .

The government cannot make the economy .

Do you believe in Oroborous?

http://www.crystalinks.com/ouroboros.html

Oroborus in mythology lasts forever by eating itself, but in the real world any such system runs down shortly.

The Government will make 20% fewer jobs with the money it takes from the economy than the economy would have made with the same money untaken.

That is my estimate , what is yours?
You might be more carefull than I am and refine the loss to greater accuracy.
But....
If it isn't negative , it is not real.

[sirs]

The government could spend it on building a highway or a bridge, or even on weapons. It is quite likely that the government will create as many jobs with the money as the private sector.

...as in more public sector jobs, and bigger government --> that requires increased tax dollars to do both.  Private sector jobs don't require tax dollars.  They simply require government to stop making job growth more and more difficult

[Xavier_Onassis]

if the government builds a bridge, workers are hired,and they pay their rent or house payments with the money they make. Money received from taxes has the same impact on the economy as money from the private sector.

It is pretty certain that tax money for infrastructure is unlikely to end up in some Cayman Islands hedge fund.

I do not actually give a rat's ass about the size of government: what is important is the government using the money to provide the services that are needed. The cockamamie idea that the government must be "starved" to prevent it from doing its job has never resulted in anything but bigger deficits and less competence when idiot Republicans are in charge.

[sirs]

I do not actually give a rat's ass about the size of government

And THERE in lies the problem of our greece-like journey

[Plane]

if the government builds a bridge, workers are hired,and they pay their rent or house payments with the money they make. Money received from taxes has the same impact on the economy as money from the private sector.

It is pretty certain that tax money for infrastructure is unlikely to end up in some Cayman Islands hedge fund.

I do not actually give a rat's ass about the size of government: what is important is the government using the money to provide the services that are needed. The cockamamie idea that the government must be "starved" to prevent it from doing its job has never resulted in anything but bigger deficits and less competence when idiot Republicans are in charge.

Yep , there are no creatures in nature that are mostly nervous system by weight.
There have been several nations that sported governments that outsized their base of support.
Nature is smarter than we are , not just a little bit.

You think that fewer cheats will be born into a socialistic society?
If government is where the money is ,that is where the cheats will be also.

[sirs]

Well said

[Xavier_Onassis]

There is less cheating in Scandinavia than the US, and they are certainly more socialistic than we are.

There is much less rotten in the State of Denmark than in the State of Louisiana, for sure.

[Plane]

There is less cheating in Scandinavia than the US, and they are certainly more socialistic than we are.

There is much less rotten in the State of Denmark than in the State of Louisiana, for sure.

   They are more socialistic than Louisiana?
    Wow , how totally beside the point that is.
     If there is only one real cheat in Norway , then he is wherever the money is.