NRA Was There to Help Blacks Defend Themselves From KKK Democrats

[Xavier_Onassis]

Weapons powerful enough to bring down any modern government are banned everywhere.

The NRA is defending the right of some paranoids to own dangerous toys.

[Plane]

Weapons powerful enough to bring down any modern government are banned everywhere.

The NRA is defending the right of some paranoids to own dangerous toys.

Tell that to Mr.Assad.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Note that Assad does not have all the weapons available to the US govt.

Also note that the Syrian rebels have more than just pistols and rifles, and that they have been fighting for a year now.

Overthrowing the government is not something that would be easy to accomplish in the US with the sort of weapons that are legal.

[sirs]

Weapons powerful enough to bring down any modern government are banned everywhere.

The NRA is defending the right of some paranoids to own dangerous toys.

Amazing how the 2nd amendment to the U.S. Constitution and those that advocate its protection, is now mutated into dangerous paranoia, for supporting such.  Perhaps that's why Hitler & Stalin were such huge anti-gun critters.

Why stop at the 2nd amendment......let's start mutating the 1st.  Anyone that dares speak of the President in any negative way is obviously a racist, and should be prosecuted for a hate crime.  Fits the paranoia parameters

[Xavier_Onassis]

The second amendment is about a "well-regulated MILITIA, not about enabling yokels to arm themselves to the teeth.

[sirs]

And the militia is every able bodied person NOT in the military, which means the rest of us

[Xavier_Onassis]

And the militia is every able bodied person NOT in the military, which means the rest of us

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That is your opinion.

However, nowhere is the militia defined in this way, anywhere, by law.

And again, legal firearms would be incapable of bringing down the US government, assuming that the military obeys its orders.

[sirs]

Not mine....the courts'.  Or is your position now that every other amendment to the bill of rights that is specific to the individual is also really group related?  Which group is allowed freedom of speech? 

or

Is your position that the 2nd most important right the founders believed necessary was deemed to be a specific group right, while all others pertain to individual rights??  Really?  Were the founders of this country, that twisted? 

[Xavier_Onassis]

NOWHERE is the general population defined as a militia.

I DARE you to show where it is.

[sirs]

Courts have ruled....it's an individual right, just as the other Bill of Rights are.

It's not specific to some nebulous group of militia

I DARE you to show where it is

[Xavier_Onassis]

Where is the general population defined as the militia?

How can a "well organized militia" possibly be organized when no one even knows they are a member?
 

[Plane]

Note that Assad does not have all the weapons available to the US govt.

Also note that the Syrian rebels have more than just pistols and rifles, and that they have been fighting for a year now.

Overthrowing the government is not something that would be easy to accomplish in the US with the sort of weapons that are legal.

Then we agree that the US public is in need for more andd better weapons?

[Plane]

And the militia is every able bodied person NOT in the military, which means the rest of us

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That is your opinion.

However, nowhere is the militia defined in this way, anywhere, by law.

And again, legal firearms would be incapable of bringing down the US government, assuming that the military obeys its orders.

So you think that the second admendment was written with no purpose at all?

[sirs]

Where is the general population defined as the militia?

Where in the Bill of rights does militia mean non-individual?

Here, I'll help.  Per the definitions of Cornell,  The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.  Now, jump down to the next answer

How can a "well organized militia" possibly be organized when no one even knows they are a member?

Glad you asked      According to definitions provided by Cornell, there are 2 forms, or "classes" of militia...the organized and the unorganized.
 
The organized militia, consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia and the unorganized militia, consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

The Guard is subject to absolute federal control (Perpich v. Dept. of Defense, 1990) and thus is not the "well regulated militia" named in the Second Amendment.

"The Militia of the United States" is defined under federal law to include all able-bodied males of age and some other males and females with the Guard established as only its "organized" element. 

The militia can be "both" organized (National Guard) AND unorganized (Individual citizens).  So we're ALL members, you included, unless of course you're a member of the National Guard....in which case you'd still be a member, just part of the organized militia.  And that is why the courts have ruled that the 2nd amendment is an individual right, and not limited to some nebulous non-governmental militia group

[Xavier_Onassis]

A "well ordered militia" as described in the Constitution cannot by definition be composed of people who are oblivious that they are members of said militia. If such militia is to be armed, then either arms should be supplied or at least  required of a group aware that they are part of a"well-organized militia".

As you describe it, halfwits and the unincarcerated insane are also members of this fictitious militia. The Second Amendment was not written to allow everyone to have a gun. And even if this were the case, in the 1700's, people needed to defend themselves from wild animals, Indians and other dangers. It is pretty clear that the idea was that the Founders knew that they would never be able to disarm the populace, as the British tried to do this during the Revolution and it caused a lot of trouble. So they made up this phony militia crap to make their inability sound somehow noble and intentional when it was simply expedient.

There is no such thing as an "unorganized militia" except in the enfeebled minds of ratbag gun nuts. Because of them, we have hundreds of people killed by guns each year that would not get killed in Canada or Europe or places with sane gun ownership restrictions.