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Re: Because of course, no one uses a gun to save their life
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2012, 03:28:57 PM »
Another anecdote.

Every criminal shot must be cancelled by every accidental shooting.
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Re: Because of course, no one uses a gun to save their life
« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2012, 03:37:54 PM »
And including accidental shootings, still more lives are saved using a gun, than killed by a gun.  At least in this country
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Re: Because of course, no one uses a gun to save their life
« Reply #32 on: December 30, 2012, 03:47:02 PM »
That is not true. You have no proof that it is true.

The more guns there are, the more people get killed with guns.
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Re: Because of course, no one uses a gun to save their life
« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2012, 04:24:05 PM »
Actually I do.  I also have on record your ongoing commitment not to believe anything the FBI might have recorded

Our violent crime rate goes down, while countries with outright bands on firearms watches their violent crime go up.  Areas with more permissive gun laws have lower violent crime rates than areas with far more stricter gun laws.  More lives are saved in this country, using a gun, then those taken by it.

Now, you may again jump up and down, with your eyes and ears in full blinders mode, going nananananana, no it can't be, not it can't be....nananananana......I'm not going to believe it, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not.....nanananananana.....you can't make me, you can't make me....nananananana
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Re: Because of course, no one uses a gun to save their life
« Reply #34 on: December 30, 2012, 05:24:01 PM »
Actually, you only say you have something, but have never bothered to produce it. You seem to believe that the magic letters F B I can cause everyone to believe you, just as the FBI warning on every VHS tape and every DVD ended piracy.

Bah!

You cannot prove this unless you have the date, which would involve every crime prevented by every gun and every accidental gun use and every gun suicide for at least one year. People do not always leave suicide notes, because they hope their heirs can collect life insurance, they want to be buried in a Catholic cemetery, and such. Accidental gun deaths are not always reported as such, either. When someone has an unregistered gun, they are not going to report it to the police, who might confiscate it. It is not possible the get the data to prove your allegation.
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Re: Because of course, no one uses a gun to save their life
« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2012, 06:55:58 PM »
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Re: Because of course, no one uses a gun to save their life
« Reply #36 on: December 30, 2012, 09:22:35 PM »
Actually, you only say you have something, but have never bothered to produce it.


LOL, ironic coming from the king of who won't back up even a single asinine accusation, we just have to go google it ourselves....it doesn't matter what FBI stats are produced, you've made it abundantly clear that whatever stats there are, "they can't be believed", meaning you won't believe them regardless of who accessed them, be it the NRA, or whoever.

You kinda shot yourself in the foot, when you honestly came out and made it clear you wouldn't believe any stats produced.  Had you kept that under wraps, then you might have a leg to stand on
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Re: Because of course, no one uses a gun to save their life
« Reply #37 on: December 30, 2012, 09:28:07 PM »
Another anecdote.

Every criminal shot must be cancelled by every accidental shooting.

I wouldn't think so.

But suppose it were?

Accidents shouldn't count in the same catagory.

Small boats are not safe to make long ocean voyages with , but we put lifeboats on ships anyway.

Guns have to be treated with respect for them to be safe at any time but every now and then they enhanse safety.

They enhance your safety when you are forced into combat.

Yes,.. being forced into combat is a once in a lifetime thing, but that once you are glad to have the right tool.
Sinking with a ship is also a once in a lifetime thing, but would you be comforted to be told that there are no lifeboats on the ship?

It is quite possible to use education and safety devices to reduce accidents, gun owners and the NRA would applaud the assistance.
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Re: Because of course, no one uses a gun to save their life
« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2012, 01:07:34 AM »
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=47
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/bjs/grants/227604.pdf
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/bjs/grants/234173.pdf
http://minx.cc/?post=336126

The second and third of these are supposed to be reports on the utility and enforcement of the Brady act.

The first and last are supposed to explain the process and the results.

This is hard reading,I don't get it.

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Re: Because of course, no one uses a gun to save their life
« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2012, 04:31:33 AM »
From URL in opening post in XOs thread: "One of them got the gun out of the holster but then it got stuck in his shirt."

I posted a particular .45, on more than one occasion, that I recommend for personal defense. It's the best out there, period. It is completely dehorned, rounded at all the edges, so that it won't get caught on your holster or shirt or jacket. Plus, it will not fail you, ever, if you take care of it. If you're going to carry, nothing less will do. I suspect none of the gun-nuts in here bought that weapon.

Returning timely, deadly, fire, while under attack, requires 1000s of hours of practice in as real to life a situation as you can simulate.  A firing range doesn't get it. You need, at minimum, a shooting house. You NEED to be surprised. When you tell people about how the SEALS, or Special Forces, train, they always say we're not SF, or SEALS. Irrelevant. You have to train as they do, nothing short of that will do. This is why most dickheads shouldn't be carrying a firearm around. They have no idea what they're doing. This is why you shouldn't have grandpa working as an armed security guard in an elementary school. That idea is a dumb as you can get.

Having a gun in your house for self defense is one thing, carrying one around on the street is another thing altogether.  The people who carry when they don't really need to are gun-nuts, fruit-loops, like Sirs. They are the last people you want carrying a firearm around.

We need to make concealed carry licenses almost impossible to get. We need to ban all AR15 platforms on civilian firearms. Those two things are a good place to start.


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Re: Because of course, no one uses a gun to save their life
« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2012, 05:02:11 AM »
Having a gun in your house for self defense is one thing, carrying one around on the street is another thing altogether.  The people who carry when they don't really need to are gun-nuts, fruit-loops, like Sirs. They are the last people you want carrying a firearm around.

..and yet this supposed gun nut, who's had a CCW for over 14years now, has never once had to pull it, much less use it.  Hardly the image of some Bruce Willis-want-to-be, strutting around just itching to show off.  Not to mention the FACTS that areas with more permissive gun laws, including CCW's, have LOWER, repeat LOWER violent crime than those areas with far stricter gun & carry laws.  But please, let's not let facts and common sense get in the way of a good irrational rant


We need to make concealed carry licenses almost impossible to get. We need to ban all AR15 platforms on civilian firearms. Those two things are a good place to start.

Right, because a nice pump action 30-30 can't kill nearly as well      ::)
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Re: Because of course, no one uses a gun to save their life
« Reply #42 on: December 31, 2012, 10:53:11 AM »
Look! another anecdote!
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Re: Because of course, no one uses a gun to save their life
« Reply #43 on: December 31, 2012, 11:29:16 AM »
Look...another example of a gun being used to stop potential mass murder
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Re: Because of course, no one uses a gun to save their life
« Reply #44 on: December 31, 2012, 12:11:56 PM »
You really like to believe. You are the Fox Mulder of gun nuttery.
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