A Hate Crime

[Plane]

http://start.toshiba.com/news/read.php?rip_id=%3CDA3FMVL00%40news.ap.org%3E&ps=1018&page=1

They have caught a subway pusher, she admits to being a hatefull murderer.

I don't think that murder for the sake of hate needs to be punished worse , nor any less , than murder for the sake of greed or jelousy or unjustified fear.

[kimba1]

The whole point of hatecrime laws is to make existing laws to be enforced and the fact people complain about the hatecrime laws but not the fact the laws are not being enforce kinda justisfy it's existance.

When a minority is assualted people complain about the hatecrime law but very little is said a person is assaulted. Not exactly a good reason to stop such laws.

[BT]

Kimba,

Is a black persons life more valuable than an asian persons life?

Is a harlan county oxybilly's grisly demise more horrendous than a cherokee from the county over.

Then why hand out differeing penalties based on  the type of the victim and the heart of the perp?

[sirs]

Agreed

[Xavier_Onassis]

The difference is that a hate crime has no justification. If a wife kills a husband, or vice versa, they may or may not have a good reason, but at least they think they have some justification. When there is no motive other than just hate for some unknown person  because he belongs to some group, that is of a greater danger to society.

Of course, if you give out a 30 year sentence with no possibility of parole, it is going to have the same deterrent effect no matter what the motive is.

All murders are committed by people who are not quite sane. A hate crime is committed by someone a bit more of a psychopath than someone who is motivated by jealousy, greed or some other motive based on what they think the victim did to them.

[kimba1]

Bt
Thats actually interesting because legally asians cant be protected by hatecrime laws. A few years ago several chinese in a short span of time got attacked and one even died . A judge ruled due to the fact its not racist to attack asians so it can't be a hate crime.

I've brought this up many times to people i work with and found 100% agreement that it not racist to attack asians. Our stereotype of being compliant has massively backfired on us.

So despite i can't get protection for my people being known to save money.I can still get collateral protection because it existance would still require the police to do thier job.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=rOfUKwVXve4&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DrOfUKwVXve4

[sirs]

murder is murder....assault is assault....a person is a person.  When we start trying to judge and convict on intent, be it racial vs monetary, is when we start valuing 1 life higher than anothers

Just saying

[Plane]

   I totally disagree with the idea that Asians do not suffer from directed racism, the history of California especially demonstrates that racial based institutional bias and social anger has been directed at asian people quite a bit.

     

    Racism can be bad and as a justifacation for crime it should not be accepted.
     Greed can be bad , as a justifaction for crime it should not be accepted.
       Jelosy can be bad , as a justifaction for crime it should not be accepted.

      Crimes comitted strictly for relif of boredom, well that is less bad, so when boredom os the reason for murder or assault the punishment should be lesser.

[kimba1]

Note i brought the issue the hatecrime law is brought on because existing laws are not being enforced and the focus keeps going to racial preference not making sure people in general don't get harmed.

Not even a disscussion those existing law should be enforced.

No one brought up the idea how about replacing hatecrime laws with a law that existing laws are to be enforced.

The police themselves had the ability to stop such laws from existing by showing stats they always stopped racially based crimes . But for some reason they prefered those laws to exist.

[sirs]

If existing laws are not being enforced, how is the notion of more laws going to change what's not being enforced, in the 1st place?

[Xavier_Onassis]

It is ridiculous to say that intent cannot be taken into consideration in an accusation of murder. Every court in the country takes motivation into account.

[kimba1]

Hatecrime laws make it more public for existing laws to be enforce. Harder to ignore. Pretty sure it's much harder today for the police to ignore a complant then it was before the laws came about.

[Xavier_Onassis]

As I see it, the main purpose of a hate crime law is to make a crime that the local yokels refuse to take seriously as a matter for the feds to deal with.

I fail to see why anyone could not be prosecuted for a hate crime if hate was the motivation. The shooter on the LIRR was a prime example of a Black guy who had it in for White people and shot a bunch of them that he did not know. He was, of course, insane, but so is any mass murderer.

They are just less lethal when they have no guns.

[sirs]

It is ridiculous to say that intent cannot be taken into consideration in an accusation of murder. Every court in the country takes motivation into account.

Motivation is taken into account for evidence of a crime, along with means and opportunity, but not in trying to hand out stiffer sentence based solely on the motive.  that's when you start valuing 1 person over another.  Justice is supposed to be blind, including color blind

[Xavier_Onassis]

That is simply not true.

At the very beginning of the OJ trial, the prosecution declared that they would not be trying for a death penalty, though obviously the brutal murder of OJ's Ex and her presumed lover was certainly brutal enough to justify it.

John Hinckley shot Reagan and killed a cop and maimed Brady, but there was no attempt to give him a death penalty.