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The Syrian Conflict Takes a New Turn

Is Syria the World's Killing Field for Al Qaeda? .

The suspicion that the West and some of its Arab allies are luring Al Qaeda-affiliated terrorists to Syria to get them killed was first voiced with deliberate intent by Bashar Assad's close ally, Hizballah Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah, on Dec. 18.

"The foreign-backed armed opposition is very, very, very mistaken" if they count on victory, he said before advancing his conspiracy theory. "I warn Al Qaeda: The Americans and the European countries have set a trap for you in Syria, and opened for you a battlefield so you come from across the world? to be killed and to kill each other," said Hizballah's leader.

The Lebanese Shiite leader's interest in stemming the rush of Al Qaeda fighters to the Syrian rebel cause from around the Muslim world is self-evident: Not just Sunni extremists, they are the fiercest and best armed elements of the rebel movement fighting his close friend, Assad, for 22 months.
His words were intended for the ears of the radical Islamist organizations associated with al Qaeda and its leader Ayman Zawahiri in the hope they would be deterred by his warning. He figured that reducing the flow of jihadists to Syria would ease the military pressure on the Syrian army, fighting the insurrection.

But Zawahiri has his own fish to try. His plans were surveyed by the German daily Die Welt in an article published on Dec. 20. It focused on Al Qaeda's standing in Muslim Brotherhood-ruled Egypt and the fact that the murderers of US Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens came from Al Qaeda ranks in Egypt.

According to German intelligence sources, Al-Qaeda's boss is intent on fashioning new outfits in Syria and Egypt since many established Al Qaeda branches have turned their backs on him and the old guard since the death of Osama Bin Laden.

For the big powers, Syria as an export destination for Islamist radicals

Al Qaeda's new Syrian branch is Jabat al-Nusrah and its leader, Abu Muhammad al-Julani, is Al-Zawahiri's contact.

Citing Western intelligence sources, Die Welt discloses the following:

1. Some 100 Muslims with European passports are believed to be involved in the war in Syria and are feared to be planning to return to their homes bases in Europe with bad intentions.
2. In a number of large training camps which Al Nusrah has established in Syria, Islamists with fighting experience, veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, are imparting their tradecraft to raw recruits, including volunteers from Western countries.
3. The danger of the Nusrah Front getting its hands on Assad's chemical weapons is a constant worry.

The German BND intelligence agency, which is more solidly established in Syria than any other Western clandestine service, finds substance in Hassan Nasrallah's allegation that the US, the Europeans and also the Russians and the Chinese, are encouraging Al Qaeda and jihadi activists in their countries to go to Syria. They hope to sap Al Qaeda's organizational and operational capabilities in their own countries and on global count-terror fronts such as Afghanistan and Pakistan.

For Moscow, the benefit would lie in reducing militant Islamist ranks in the restive Caucasus and Chechnya. Britain would hope to export some of the Muslim radicals from its towns, while Beijing sees Syria as a lodestone for drawing troublesome Uighur Muslim Al Qaeda adherents away from China's Xinjiang region.

Assad is preserved for defeating al Qaeda

While this theory has not aroused much overt interest outside Germany, Arab opinion is getting interested.

Saturday, Dec. 29, the respected London-based Al Hayat newspaper ran a column under the byline of its senior diplomatic correspondent, Raghida Dergham. She is considered to have the best sources of the hundreds of correspondents assigned to the sprawling UN headquarters on First Avenue, New York, including direct access to the office of UN Secretary-General Ban ki-Moon.
Under the headline "American-Russian Relations and Their Impact on the Arab Transitional Phase," Dergham wrote the following:

"Yet others believe and even insist that what is happening in Syria is premeditated, and resembles what the former U.S. President George W. Bush did when he invited various kinds of jihadists, from al-Qaeda and its sisters, to Iraq. And they came, and he defeated them to keep them away from American cities."

She goes on to write, "The proponents of this view say that both the U.S. and Russia want to defeat the jihadists decisively, and that this is why they are now in Syria. They add that Bashar al-Assad is the choice of both sides, and will remain in power because he is the only one able to defeat al-Qaeda and its sisters in Syria. Thus the U.S. and Russian leaderships have agreed on Assad staying in power."

Clearly, therefore, the view held by Nasrallah and the German BND has infiltrated the highest levels of the UN establishment.

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  I hope this is not true.

   I think it would work as advertised , but I don't want my government to be involved in heartless conspiracys.

     I expect the government to be involved in conspiracys , but I genuinely hope that what Syria is going through is beyond the limits.

     If not , what are the limits?

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Most of the messes this country has gotten involved with have been due to manipulative schemes: supporting the South Korean assassination squads to go to North Korea and kill the leaders of the former partisan resistance, which was mostly Communist.

Overthrowing the elected sectarian government of Mossadeagh in Iran in the 1950's and imposing the Shah on people who would never have elected said royal twerp.

Refusal of support for free elections in Vietnam, which would have entirely avoided the Vietnam War.

Training death squads in Indonesia, Argentina, Guatemala, Salvador, Argentina, Chile and Honduras: these were all CIA plots.

The CIA has caused this country more problems than any good it might have done.

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...... supporting the South Korean assassination squads to go to North Korea and kill the leaders of the former partisan resistance, which was mostly Communist.
I don't think this happened at all.
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Overthrowing the elected sectarian government of Mossadeagh in Iran in the 1950's and imposing the Shah on people who would never have elected said royal twerp.
Yes , this one is a well documented mistake , a big one.
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Refusal of support for free elections in Vietnam, which would have entirely avoided the Vietnam War.
According to Kennedy there was no potential for the election to be free.
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Training death squads in Indonesia, Argentina, Guatemala, Salvador, Argentina, Chile and Honduras: these were all CIA plots.


There was a lot of training , but not for death squads as such, the death squads dutys do not need training.

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The CIA has caused this country more problems than any good it might have done.

Which is why the Benghazi hearings are of some import.

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You are wrong. Death squads do need training to identify their victims, to capture and kill them before they can escape or retaliate. The FBI hired a Mafioso pal of Frank Sinatra named Dan Mitrione to train death squads in Uruguay. He was captured and killed by the Tupamaro.

Who cares whether the elections in Vietnam would have been like JFK wanted? If they had held the elections, millions of Vietnamese would have survived, the government would never have been hardline Hanoi types, and 50 thousand Americans would have been spared.

The US was not the guarantor of free elections in Vietnam. Notice how the US did absolutely NOTHING to assure that elections in Algeria and Tunisia were free when the French left. And rightly so.

The purpose of the Benghazi hearings is NOT to reform the CIA. It is to embarrass the administration over a rather minor error. The GOP wants an interventionist and devious CIA. They have never moved a muscle to reform it.
The US did not care much about Burma having a hideous dictatorship for over a generation. The USA supported many unfair and undemocratic elections in South Korea.

JFK was highly overrated. All you can say about him was that he was better than Nixon.
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I don't know why Kennedy was better than Nixon.

I had to look this guy up.
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmitrione.htm

Oh wow!

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Nixon was a lying, pusillanimous red-bating bastard. Even as VP, he was disliked abroad, and Kennedy was admired.

Kennedy was in over his head, and was easily manipulated by members of the oligarchy, including the CIA of the time.

I would not rate either of them higher than a D-.
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   I always liked Nixon , I am not old enough to say much about Kennedy.

  Flawed persons are all we ever elect to the presidency, I expect this to continue.

  Specificly one thing I like about Nixon , is that it is true that only Nixon could go to China.

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Yeah.

Had any Democrat gone to China, Tricky Dicky would have accused him of being a pinko.

Nixon and his Bircher buddies were the reason why only Nixon could have gone to China.

I can;t imagine liking Nixon. It would be like liking Stalin or Hitler. The man was a hideous creep.
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I think it would work as advertised , but I don't want my government to be involved in heartless conspiracys.

If the choice is having IslamoNazis planning and carrying out attacks on US Cities or
keeping them busy killing each other.....I know what I want my gvt to be involved in!
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The purpose of the Benghazi hearings is NOT to reform the CIA.

I don 't think anyone made that claim. i believe that the mishandling of Benghazi before during and after the attack has a lot more to do with covering up the activities of the cia than it does any state dept snafu. And i don't think they were rogue activities. i am sure the wh was aware of them.

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Yeah.

Had any Democrat gone to China, Tricky Dicky would have accused him of being a pinko.



Exactly!
No one elese was nearly so immune.
He was very canny, I wonder when he realised that he could , build such immunity?

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H e didn't.

His trip to China was mostly Kissinger's idea.

Henry Kissinger was another evil SOB. Ask the people of East Timor about that.
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Bolstered by 16 Russian warships, Assad nixes dialogue with "Western puppets"

DEBKAfile Special Report

January 6, 2013

Bashar Assad is upbeat after 60,000 Syrian deathsWith a buildup of 16 Russian warships carrying thousands of marines on the Syrian coast "to deter the West from deploying ground forces in Syria," Syrian Bashar Assad could afford to brazen it out in his first public speech in seven months. Speaking at the Damascus opera house, Sunday, Jan. 6, Assad said Syria no longer takes dictation from anyone and called on Syrian citizens to defend the country against "a war fought by only a handful of Syrians and many foreigners."

He rejected dialogue with the opposition which he referred to as "puppets fabricated by the West."

DEBKA-Net-Weekly, in its latest issue of Jan. 4, revealed that both Washington and Moscow may be encouraging the rush to Syria of al Qaeda and other radical Islamist fighters so as to put them in harm's way on the Syrian battlefield instead of their staying home to make trouble in Asian, European and other Middle East countries.

On this point, Assad remarked: "The West tried to get rid of these terrorists by drawing them into conflicts in Iraq, Afghanistan and other places, but were unsuccessful. Now they are sending them to Syria."

The Syrian ruler went on to maintain that it would not be too hard to get rid of them, if "all citizens are mobilized against these outside forces." It was important, too, he said, to fight the terrorists ideas, before they permeated Syrian society. He vowed to fight terror "so long as a single terrorist remains in the country" and to combat the rebels fighting to overthrow his regime, whom he called "terrorists" and "criminals" who "harbor al Qaeda's extremist ideology."

debkafile: Assad's emphasis on this point indicates he counts on his war against Islamist terrorism as a long-term insurance policy for bolstering his regime's survival.

In Moscow, a senior military spokesman announced that Russian vessels, including battleships and landing craft carrying marines and military vehicles, would remain in Syrian waters until Easter. He said quite candidly that the presence of Russian marines near Syrian waters "will deter the West from deploying ground forces in Syria." The Russian flotilla and marines are intended to be the counterweight to the six NATO Patriot missile interceptors, the US, Germany and Holland have installed on the Turkish-Syrian border. Russia along with Iran  is providing Assad with a strong military shield, which is supplemented by Chinese diplomatic support.

The Syrian ruler's speech Sunday was therefore far more upbeat than his last address in June. Then, he defended himself against pressing international demands to step down by vowing to "live and die in Syria." In this speech, he makes no mention of resigning or throwing in the towel.  In contrast to current predictions of his downfall, to be found in Western and Israeli media, Assad felt secure enough to set out his blueprint for ending the Syrian conflict.

The first stage of a political solution would require that "the regional powers stop funding and arming the opposition" a reference to Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Western powers.

He then invited "those who have not betrayed Syria" to a conference of reconciliation, followed by a referendum on a new constitution, the formation of a government and an amnesty.

 He rejected the Syrian opposition movement as "puppets fabricated by the West," and said that Syria wanted to negotiate with the "master not the servants."

http://www.debka.com/article/22663/Bolstered-by-16-Russian-warships-Assad-nixes-dialogue-with-?Western-puppets?
« Last Edit: January 06, 2013, 01:03:26 PM by Christians4LessGvt »
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