Obama's Feckless Leadership

[sirs]

He is a sucker because (a) he has no earthly need for these things,

Who the hell are you to tell me what I do and dont need?
Run your own damn life and leave mine alone!

You know, that's the part I should have picked up on more myself.  My bad.  Good rebuttal C

[Xavier_Onassis]

You do not need these anymore than you need a dozen size XXL pink gauze tutus, and you know it.

Buying them simply identifies you as an easily duped sucker. It makes me wonder if you have a closet filled with Thighmasters, Gazelles and vintage Veg-O-Matics and a garage filled with Herbalife and Amway.

You have every right to be an easily deceived sucker, just as you have a right to prance about in a size XXL pink gauze tutu.

[sirs]

The idea that someome completely unrelated or unconnected to another person in any way, can proclaim what they need or don't need is truely reprehensible

Not to mention the complete nonsense of how this still makes someone a sucker.  A "sucker" is someone who purchases something under false pretenses, duped as it were.  So, unless you're going on record as how Cu4 could have purchased what he did so much cheaper somewhere else, the labels of sucker ring 100% hollow.....as in wrong......as in you know all about the business of being wrong

[Plane]

You do not need these anymore than you need a dozen size XXL pink gauze tutus, and you know it.

Buying them simply identifies you as an easily duped sucker. It makes me wonder if you have a closet filled with Thighmasters, Gazelles and vintage Veg-O-Matics and a garage filled with Herbalife and Amway.

You have every right to be an easily deceived sucker, just as you have a right to prance about in a size XXL pink gauze tutu.

What is your point?

[Plane]

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=326879470



Started at 

$1,350.00


If I had known , I could have bought a truckload of these just a few months ago and selling them now during the fad, I could pay off a retirement.

And I could have known , someone is going to do something bad with a gun every year or two , they always have and always will.

The reaction is reliably innapropriate.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Then we are better off that you did not do this.

I suggest no-load mutual funds and ETFs as a better way of making money.

Buying large quantities of multiple bullet clips just to annoy a senator who will probably never know that you have bought them is a clearly irrational act. Even if she does know, it makes little sense.

[Plane]

Who do you mean when you say "we"?

Why are we better off that I didn't for see the present fad?

[Xavier_Onassis]

That many fewer guns in circulation means we will all be safer.

[sirs]

Emotionally perhaps, but not statistically

[Plane]

That many fewer guns in circulation means we will all be safer.

That is an unprovable premise.
Here is a thought experiment .

There would be hundreds of thousands of fewer guns immediately if police were ordered to destroy their wepons.
This huge number of guns fewer would make us much safer right?

Very much the same , a law that removed all the guns from responsible gun owners , no matter how many or few would have a negative impact on safety.

Laws that forbid guns to criminals are silly laws , I imagine that very strict guns laws cause much amusement to criminals as they break them.

Now lets make an experiment in the real world , lets doubble the number of guns in circulation over the course of two decades, and if crime rates (involving guns) fall then increased gun numbers are proven a negligable factor in public safety.

Oh hey , we have already performed this experiment in the real world!

[Xavier_Onassis]

No one advocates that the police should not be armed.

Your thought experiment is singularly stupid.

The more guns there are, the more guns will be fired and the more gun crimes there will be.

This is true across the planet.

[sirs]

The more guns there are, the more guns will be fired and the more gun crimes there will be.

Emotionally perhaps, but in the U.S., not statistically.  Not to mention as much as 10x more lives saved in the U.S., using a gun, vs those taken

Now lets make an experiment in the real world , lets doubble the number of guns in circulation over the course of two decades, and if crime rates (involving guns) fall then increased gun numbers are proven a negligable factor in public safety.

Oh hey , we have already performed this experiment in the real world!

Indeed     

[Plane]

No one advocates that the police should not be armed.

Your thought experiment is singularly stupid.

The more guns there are, the more guns will be fired and the more gun crimes there will be.

This is true across the planet.

Truely we agree that disarming the police would be stupid , quite stupid.

So why do we disagree that disarming all the responsible people in the USA is the same sort of stu[pid?

[Xavier_Onassis]

We have no idea who is "responsible" and the so-called "responsible people" you allude to do not want to have themselves, or even their weapons, listed in a database, nor do they wish to have to prove that they are responsible in any way.

When we hire policemen, they have to prove that they are responsible and worthy of defending the public. We allow any dolt to buy a gun at a gun show.

[Plane]

We have no idea who is "responsible" and the so-called "responsible people" you allude to do not want to have themselves, or even their weapons, listed in a database, nor do they wish to have to prove that they are responsible in any way.

When we hire policemen, they have to prove that they are responsible and worthy of defending the public. We allow any dolt to buy a gun at a gun show.

No we allow all of the dolts to buy guns on the black market , where they are significantly cheaper.

Any law that makes it hard to get a gun will only be effective to prevent law respecting people from getting a gun , and I can't find this principal refuted ..

So...

What you favor ,effectively , is the disarmament strictly and only, of responsible people.

Which strikes me as close cousin to the disarmament of police.