The Right Starts Down the Long Road of Surrender

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First capitulation: Immigration



Senators Call Their Bipartisan Immigration Plan a ‘Breakthrough’

By ASHLEY PARKER
Published: January 28, 2013

WASHINGTON — A bipartisan group of senators unveiled on Monday a set of principles for comprehensive immigration legislation that includes a pathway to citizenship for the 11 million immigrants already in the country illegally, contingent on first securing the nation’s borders.

http://www.skweezer.com/s.aspx/-/www~google~com/url?q=http%3A//www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/us/politics/senators-unveil-bipartisan-immigration-principles.html&sa=U&ei=22gJUc-aEuuvigL7mYCgCw&ved=0CCcQFjAE&usg=AFQjCNFBlFCmDGWSvU43jj-cxUCetqjasA



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[sirs]

The Left wishes

[BT]

Sounds like the Bush Plan

[sirs]

Indeed.....just goes to show you again how not far right wing he supposedly was

[BSB]

"just goes to show you again how not far right wing he supposedly was"

Ahh, so this is a capitulation by the right then.


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[sirs]

LOL....the Left wishes

[BSB]

Make no mistake about it the right was pro the strictest immigration laws passable. Even John McCain knuckled under to the rights pressure. Now though the right is running scared because they've completely lost the Latino vote. 

The right can't wave enough white flags fast enough. 

2010 "PHOENIX — When Senator John McCain broke his silence Monday on his home state’s tough, new immigration enforcement bill, some immigrant advocates wished he had kept quiet and worried that he was backpedaling on what had been one of his signature bipartisan issues.

Perhaps more than anything these days, though, Senator McCain’s decision to endorse the measure as a “good tool” signals the rightward tilt of his party and his re-election battle with a conservative primary challenger."

http://www.skweezer.com/s.aspx/-/www~google~com/url?q=http%3A//thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/20/mccains-tough-stance-on-arizona-immigration-bill/&sa=U&ei=LpUJUYXhA4WuiQLJy4H4Bg&ved=0CBsQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNGmGFA0z_X4zzD2Gno_qhqKwg8KNA

[sirs]

Good Lord......John McCain??  He may be Republican, but he's left of Bush who wasn't this far right zealot either.     

[Xavier_Onassis]

We will NEVER elect a "far right zealot" as president.

Nor should we.

[sirs]

We will NEVER elect a "far right zealot" as president.

Yet that's what the left kept calling Bush all those years.  Were you all lying then, or lying now?

[BT]

The fact remains that Bush had the right policy back then and the party is coming around to it. There is little chance that the federal government will ever do a mass roundup of illegals and pack them up for deportation. That is just dreamcasting. The best they can do is push for stronger border control, more efficient visa tracking and tighter control on welfare fraud. The ones here will stay, absent a criminal record, and the right needs to accept that. The establicans already have.

[sirs]

I would disagree with "the right policy", but I would agree that the system needs reformed.  I agreed with Universeprince, back when he referenced how ridiculously long, complicated, and political our current system of becoming a legal citizen is.  I'm all for reforming and streamlining it. 

Before 1 illegal immigrant becomes a citizen 1st and foremost, we begin enforcing not just the border, but current immigration law.  Can you believe, IIRC, we're the only country on this planet that allows such easy access into this country, and its system.  Every other country not only has strict border enforcement, but many have armed guards that will shoot anyone trying to get in.

I'm not advocating shooting anyone, but stop with this ongoing allowance of rewarding lawbreakers while throwing those who try to do it legally under the proverbial bus.  Let's fix and streamline the system, but NO to rewarding the lawbreakers that currently are in this country.  Everytime I hear the reference that they will go "to the end of the line", I have to ask, where is that exactly??  It's easy to say so, quite a different mode in explaining where exactly is that.

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I don't think immigration is the premier problem facing the country so don't get caught up in the flame throwing that is designed solely to get your goad.

Kitchen table issues like fiscal responsibility are more important than this little hill. Remember immigration laws are relatively new.

Or protecting the constitution from all those who say that it is just a piece of paper and it isn't relevant any more.

[Plane]

  I hope they do not go as far as Reagan did , Reagan proposed an amnesty and called it an amnesty.

[sirs]

I don't think immigration is the premier problem facing the country so don't get caught up in the flame throwing that is designed solely to get your goad.

I appreciate the suggestion.  I agree its not the premier problem, nor is gun violence, which both seem to be at the top of the Democrats' agenda.  I also realize the political reasons why both are at the top of their agenda.......votes, and a goal of trying to trash Republicans as again supposeldy anti-immigrant and pro-gun violence

And with the help of the MSM, they might even get their way