The measure of a decent human being is how he or she treats the defenseless

[sirs]

How the hell is it NOT a compromise??

Because rule of law says life begins at viability. You stipulated that viability is at 26 weeks. You aren't giving ground. You aren't allowing abortions, you are following the law.

Abortions can and DO occur after 26weeks

BIOLOGICALLY AND REALISTICALLY, an unborn child can live outside the mother's womb as early as 26weeks.  In other words, they pass the viability test, per the rule of law.  I DON'T THINK ABORTIONS SHOULD OCCUR AT ANY TIME, outside of the extremely rare rape/incest caused pregnancies.  That's my personal position.  However, I'm willing to compromise to lessen abortions that currently can occur, pretty much anytime, even into the last trimester, to abortions that can only occur within the 1st 25weeks.

How the hell you can call that not compromising, and then top it off with some asanine reference to lying about it, really does reach a new low

BTW your respect or lack of respect means little to me.

That's too bad, as I greatly respect others, that have earned it, and it means alot to me when received in return. 

Any chance you're going to divulge why you moved my thread I started in its more appropriate venue, to this one?  You know, the one that hasn't had any other responses, but stands there like some big neon light, on top of everything else posted?

[Xavier_Onassis]

There is no reason to respect sirs. He is a fanatic and a headwedge.

[sirs]

And the immature namecalling shows no end in sight.  Sad

[Xavier_Onassis]

Your stupidity shows no sign of ending. That is even sadder. At least Lintball gets PAID for spouting nonsense.

[BT]

How the hell you can call that not compromising, and then top it off with some asanine reference to lying about it, really does reach a new low

Because you did not compromise anything. You simply said you would follow the law.

But let's clear up some misconceptions you may have.

1. it is not up to you to allow or disallow abortions up to viability.
2. The fact that abortions occur after viability is on those who are to enforce the various state laws, and again that is not you.

Any chance you're going to divulge why you moved my thread I started in its more appropriate venue, to this one?

I already answered you. Moderating the various boards is not your concern.

Clear enough?

That's too bad, as I greatly respect others, that have earned it, and it means alot to me when received in return.

Oh. Perhaps you misunderstood. I don't care if you respect me or not.

[sirs]

Let's clear something else up, a misconception you've apparently been under.....abortions can occur at any time, even into the last trimester, as in AFTER 26weeks, in this country.  This isn't a debate on when viability occurs.  This was a debate on when LEGALLY they should stop.  My compromise was to limit any and all abortions to no more than 25weeks, at which time viability becomes the issue.  It's still murder, but I'm willing to allow the woman to legally murder thru the 1st 25weeks

And no, your move didn't clear anything up.  It made no sense, outside of....well, I have some good ideas, given your track record, but I'll keep them to myself for now

And no, I didn't misunderstand you in the least.  As I said, I greatly respect others, that have earned it, and it means alot to me when received in return.  I guess it doesn't mean much to you, which is fine.  Your call

[BT]

And no, your move didn't clear anything up.  It made no sense, outside of....well, I have some good ideas, given your track record, but I'll keep them to myself for now

Read into it what you will. But take a look at the discussions in 3DHS and you will see that many discuss faith based positions. In fact one of the dead horses is God.

It's still murder, but I'm willing to allow the woman to legally murder thru the 1st 25weeks

How would you stop them if you decided to not allow these women their medical procedures?

This isn't a debate on when viability occurs.  This was a debate on when LEGALLY they should stop.

That is settled law. SCOTUS set out the framework, the states were to set out laws within that framework, and enforcement was left to the states. Your beef is with the states.

[sirs]

What the frell.......I have no power to stop anything.  THIS IS A DEBATE FORUM, and my beef is that abortion is still good for any unborn child at any time.  Yes, we have concluded when viability occurs, however that's not at issue.  The issue is how to lessen abortions.  So instead of supporting the legal ability to abort at any time, in many locations here in the U.S., I'd support that the legality have cut off after 25weeks.  It's still murder, it's still abortion, but .....watch this....I'm trying to compromise to lessen the total amount of abortions, since I don't think ANY abortions should occur, outside of the parameters I referenced.  How you can keep calling up is down, harkens back to the days when Tee debated

And yea, many discuss faith based positions......when they introduce them, where they want to.  What's this power need to pull my thread from another more appropriate location of dicsussion, where I was perfectly willing to debate it, now making it look ridiculous as some Jay Leno Headlines skit.  If I had wanted to discuss it in more detail here, I would have facilitated that.  And then to hide in this cloak of "its not my concern" really provides how shallow a move it was on your part.  If YOU wanted to discuss it in this thread, then YOU should have intiated something in this thread

I just keep wondering why

[BT]

We were discussing why you were right and xo was wrong in your opinion, but you declared that you were done with it in this thread.

And lo and behold you start a new thread in matters of faith which was started by the way at the request of _jsov and mirstkim for respectful discussions of comparative religions.

Your post and it's follow up delusional victory dance was out of place in that forum.

Thus it was moved.

THIS IS A DEBATE FORUM, and my beef is that abortion is still good for any unborn child at any time.

Please provide a list of states that allow for abortion on demand at any time during the pregnancy up to and including during labor.

[Plane]

So it is like the 3/5 compromise .

Between the abolitionists and the slave states .

The compromise prevented the slaves from being counted by the slave states for representation as full persons. Counting for less reduced the clout of the south in Congress..

The Free states thought it unfair that they should count at all , since they were not allowed to vote.
The Slave owing states thought they should count as persons whether they voted or not , lots of people count without voting , women , children etc..

So the compromise was reached, the compromise allowed the nation to be formed, but it also did not really solve the problem . The origional problem continued to grow worse and fester .

Accepting viability as a real border of personhood is a compromise like that, it has some good effect , without really being a solution.

[Plane]

http://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/spibs/spib_PLTA.pdf

Although the vast majority of states restrict later-term abortions, many of these restrictions have been struck down. Most often, courts have voided the limitations because they do not contain a health exception; contain an unacceptably narrow health exception; or do not permit a physician to determine viability in each individual case, but rather rely on a rigid construct based on specific weeks of gestation or trimester.
Nonetheless, statutes conflicting with the Supreme Court’s requirements remain on the books in some states. For example, the law in Michigan permits a postviability abortion only if the woman’s life is endangered and laws in several other states ban abortion at a specific point in gestation. Most recently, several states have enacted laws that ban abortion at 20 weeks’ post-fertilization—well before viability—based on the spurious assertion that a fetus can feel pain at that point.

Spurious?

Has someone really proven that there is no pain for the fetus to feel as he/she is pulled apart ?

[BT]

"The law is an ass"  some famous person

[Plane]

“If the law supposes that,” said Mr. Bumble,… “the law is a ass—a idiot. If that’s the eye of the law, the law is a bachelor; and the worst I wish the law is that his eye may be opened by experience—by experience.”
ATTRIBUTION: CHARLES DICKENS, Oliver Twist, chapter 51, p. 489 (1970). First published serially 1837–1839.

http://www.bartleby.com/73/1002.html

[sirs]

Bt already answered his own question, per what I said, in that abortions, depending on their locations, can be performed into the 3rd trimester. States get to decide the specifics

As far as moving the thread, I guess what you're trying to claim is that when Xo reinforced my answer, you felt compelled.....to let everyone else see?  That makes about as much sense as the nonsense of moving it from where it belonged in the 1st place, to begin with. 

Whatever

So, where exactly are the parameters displayed so we know what specific faith guidelines are required to be followed, in order to discuss matters of faith, in the matters of faith section of the saloon?

[BT]

So, where exactly are the parameters displayed so we know what specific faith guidelines are required to be followed, in order to discuss matters of faith, in the matters of faith section of the saloon?

Seek and ye shall find.... a wise man once if you want to know where a trail leads it is best to start at the beginning. There really aren't that many posts.

As far as moving the thread, I guess what you're trying to claim is that when Xo reinforced my answer, you felt compelled.....to let everyone else see?  That makes about as much sense as the nonsense of moving it from where it belonged in the 1st place, to begin with.

I gave my reasons for moving your post. I am not concerned with whether you agree with them or not.

But lately it seems that you are very unhappy with the way i moderate this forum. Perhaps you would be happier somewhere else?

Your choice.