The measure of a decent human being is how he or she treats the defenseless

[sirs]

The government can NOT mandate that ANY religious organization, which the catholic church happens to be, any action that runs counter to their religious doctrine==============================================

The citizens are protected by the Constitution. The wacko beliefs of churches are not.

1st amendment to the Constitution, says otherwise

[Xavier_Onassis]

No, it does not.

That is simply untrue.

[sirs]

That would make you....*drum roll*.....wrong, yet again.  What part of Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, does not apply to Churches of any kind??

[Christians4LessGvt]

Eagles are endangered. Humans are not. That simple.

Love it....Love it!
Forcing the Left to advocate totally kooky positions.
The eagle and turtle unborn are "eagles and turtles" or at least soon to be...by some.
But the human unborn is not a human or soon to be by some!
Yes protect turtle and eagle unborn but not the human unborn!

[sirs]

What's worse is the left is obviously forcing female eagles and turtles to lay eggs, and be a mother, when they may not even want to.  The eagle & turtle should have complete control of their body.  Perhaps set up a program, payed for with tax dollars, and call it planned turtlehood to properly council female turtles on their various options, including use of a hammer

[Plane]

How much can a government mandate a person to violate his conscience?

Women who have no insurance at all are not having this right infringed, but offer her an insurance package and the government steps in to tell you what it must include.


I don't know what the outcome will be with Hobby Lobby, but they are poorly fixed to fight, I hope the right of a person to follow his conscience does not expire when they run a business.


By the way , are there indeed any Hobby Lobby employees complaining?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Go fry yourself an embryo or two, sirs, over easy.

Try embryos rancheros, with a dollop of salsa.

[sirs]

Brilliant rebuttal.  Really, I tried applying the xo school of hyperbole.  Was it not to your ususal standards?

[BSB]

"I hope the right of a person to follow his conscience does not expire when they run a business."

My conscience says I should run a sweat shop, in a fire trap, hiring only handicapped illegals, and paying them at 1/3 of minimum wage. I pray that god helps me reach my goal.

BSB

[sirs]

Good luck with that

[Plane]

"I hope the right of a person to follow his conscience does not expire when they run a business."

My conscience says I should run a sweat shop, in a fire trap, hiring only handicapped illegals, and paying them at 1/3 of minimum wage. I pray that god helps me reach my goal.

BSB

So why "illeagals"?

[Plane]

"I hope the right of a person to follow his conscience does not expire when they run a business."

My conscience says I should run a sweat shop, in a fire trap, hiring only handicapped illegals, and paying them at 1/3 of minimum wage. I pray that god helps me reach my goal.

BSB

More to the point .

Do you feel that your conscience is less dependable than government oversight?

[Xavier_Onassis]

What are the odds that God will reward you with success, do you think?

Apparently, God rewarded a lot of slave plantation owners in years past.

[Plane]

What are the odds that God will reward you with success, do you think?

Apparently, God rewarded a lot of slave plantation owners in years past.

Well, that isn't a question about odds. If God has a purpose , he is not frustrated by anything.

Job had buddys that took his failures and troubles as evidence of Gods ire with Job, I doubt not that some American slave owners took their prosperity as evidence that God was pleased with them. This is the same mistake , Gods ultimate purpose in anyones life is not realised in this life, "Why do the wicked prosper?" "Why do bad things happen to good people?" are old questions that are addressed in the books of Job and in Ecclesiastes.

  Although God can and will bless some with success and some with frustration he is not obliged to do so contrary to his deeper purposes.

  If I need to learn something that only sickness , poverty and humilation will teach me , it is Gods perrogative to bless me with the learning he thinks I need, or use my condition as a lesson to someone elese. From Gods perspective the shaping of caricter is of greater importance than the wealth and power a person might accrue.

   Why indeed would God desire that all "his" people be wealthy? What would he get that way?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Oh, get serious.

The Bible is not the word of God.

There never was a Job.

You cannot teach people a lesson by torturing them or drowning them ir inflicting the Holocaust on them.