The measure of a decent human being is how he or she treats the defenseless

[BT]

Just don't kill any innocent unborn child is all.  Otherwise, party on

Doesn't that bring us full circle as to when personhood begins?

[sirs]

To which I've compromised to 26weeks, which equates to viability, and indeed, personhood, to which the other side intends on no compromise

So yea, for the 1st 25weeks, she can murder at will

[BT]

So why is the first 25 weeks still considered murder if personhood aka viability is not achieved until week 26? Doesn't sound like much of a compromise.

[sirs]

Little confused as to the question.  Viability starts at 26weeks, ergo personhood, as it relates to the biological measure of a person being able to exist outside the womb

The compromise is in that personhood really starts at conception.  That's when all the biological agents have been combined, and a new life begins

So how is that not a compromise??

[BT]

How do you murder a non person? your compromise says 26 weeks. so why at 25 is it murder. Are you reneging on your agreement?

[sirs]

Oh good gravy......I'm calling it murder because life starts at conception.  The compromise is that I'm willing to allow the child to be murdered up until the 26th week.  Is it any clearer now??     

[BT]

So your compromise is a lie. Because you aren't compromising anything.

So much for rule of law.

[sirs]

See, this is why you lose so much respect from me.  Completely misrepresent what I've clearly said, then top it off with calling me a liar. 

How the hell is it NOT a compromise??  If "the right" believes life starts at conception, and the child be treated as such from that point, and "the left" believes that the woman should be allowed to abort at any time, how the hell is my giving ground to allow abortion to occur thru the 1st 25weeks, not a compromise on my part??  I'm trying to find some version of how abortions, and the murder of these innocents can be lessened, and if viability is the legal key.......

So why do you pull this kind of crap??  I mean you're on a roll here, moving my thread from where I intended it to be, here, and refusing to explain that, now this crap

[Xavier_Onassis]

Sperms are not dead.  Neither are eggs. They are undeniably human as well.

Every time a woman has her period, a whole bunch of potential little sirs get flushed or disposed of by the natural process. Some fish lay 10,000 eggs and only one survives if it is lucky.

Ignorance of biology makes for crappy theology.

[sirs]

Sperms are not dead.  Neither are eggs.

Yes, that is correct

They are undeniably human as well.

No, they are not.  They have the DNA to make a human, WHEN they connect with each other, and the sperm fertilizes the egg. 

Every time a woman has her period, a whole bunch of potential little sirs get flushed or disposed of by the natural process.

Good thing none of them are fertilized and can become a human now, isn't it          Your ignorance of biology is only matched with your ignorance of guns and their usage

[Xavier_Onassis]

Nonetheless, they are alive and human.

The fact is that Nature obviously does not care much about eggs, fertilized or otherwise. Or even the newborn. Of 1000 baby tortoises, maybe 990 are something's breakfast, lunch or dinner within a month.

[sirs]

Nonetheless, they are alive and human.

Nonetheless, they are not, until the egg is fertilized

The fact is that Nature obviously does not care much about eggs, fertilized or otherwise. Or even the newborn. Of 1000 baby tortoises, maybe 990 are something's breakfast, lunch or dinner within a month.

Perhaps had turtles been given the gift of opposing thumbs, progressive intellect, a governmental body including a judicial system, and access to frearms, that # would be a lot less.  Alas, that's not the case, but the weak deflection effort is noted

[Xavier_Onassis]

Take your deflection crap and shove it, sirs. Use your opposable thumbs for something useful.

[sirs]

I do.....I, and most everyone else, use them, with our other fingers to type how wrong you are so very very often, on topic, after topic, after topic

[BT]

How the hell is it NOT a compromise??

Because rule of law says life begins at viability. You stipulated that viability is at 26 weeks. You aren't giving ground. You aren't allowing abortions, you are following the law.

That was your compromise. Mighty generous for a rule of law guy.

If you are now arguing that viability begins at conception, you are reneging on your compromise.

That is how in the hell it is not a compromise.

BTW your respect or lack of respect means little to me.