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Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« on: February 19, 2013, 06:42:59 PM »
What's this....the killer's choice was not a pseudo assault rifle??.  Watch how fast this gets emotionally spun into the need for more "gun control"
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A woman in Ladera Ranch is shot multiple times and dies, a man believed responsible carjacks several drivers, kills others and then kills himself, according to police.

Four people are dead and at least two others wounded in a shooting rampage that led authorities from Ladera Ranch to Orange early Tuesday, authorities said.

One woman was shot and killed in Ladera Ranch, and authorities said the gunman then carjacked three vehicles in and around Tustin.

ADVERTISEMENT “I killed someone, today is my last day,” Tustin Police Chief Scott Jordan said the man told one of his victims.

Two people were killed in the carjackings, one shot in what police described as an “execution” at the side of the road. Two others people were wounded before the man suspected in the shootings stopped in Orange, walked out of the car and shot himself with a shotgun.

The gunman was identified by authorities as Ali Syed, a 21-year-old Ladera Ranch man who was student and lived with his parents. His connection to the woman killed in Ladera Ranch, identified only as a woman in her 20s, was unknown, authorities said.

Two of the men killed during the carjackings were also identified by authorities.

MOTIVE UNCERTAIN

What prompted the early-morning shootings was not immediately clear, authorities said, but the deadly chain of events was believed to have started before 4:45 a.m., when a woman was shot multiple times in a Ladera Ranch home on Red Leaf Lane, said Jim Amormino, spokesman for the Orange County Sheriff’s Department.

“There’s no indication of a motive,” Jordan said.

Syed is believed to have obtained the shotgun from his home, Amormino said. What the woman was doing in the Ladera Ranch home is not known.

Both of his parents were home at the time of the shooting, but Syed is believed to have left the house before they could intervene, Jordan said.

Syed is believed to have then headed north in an SUV owned by his parents.

A neighbor said he heard what sounded like gunshots before 3 a.m. Tuesday morning, followed by a lot of noise at about 4 a.m.

“I was in the garage and the door was cracked,” said Jason Glass. “When I opened my garage door this morning, my whole house was covered in tape. What a way to wake up.”

The relationship between the woman killed in Ladera Ranch and the gunman was not clear, Amormino said. At least one other adult and some children were in the home on Red Leaf when the shooting occurred, officials said.

Property records show the home is owned by Irfan and Sarwat Syed, who bought it in 2008.

A woman with the same name, Sarwat Syed, was arrested in August 2011 on suspicion of hitting a 4-year-old girl with a Yukon Denali and fleeing the scene. She was scheduled to appear in court Feb. 25. Amormino said she was not a victim in the shootings.

On Tuesday morning, deputies responded to the Ladera Ranch home, and law enforcement officials throughout Orange County began searching for the shooter.

CARJACKINGS AFTER FIRST SHOOTING

Tustin police then received reports of a carjacking at Red Hill Avenue and Nisson Road at 5:10 a.m., where a bystander was shot, Garaven said. That person was wounded. Police found a black 2011 GMC SUV at the scene of that carjacking, which was registered to Irfan and Sarwat Syed.

Police believe the carjacker took a Dodge pickup.

A second carjacking was then reported along Village Way and the 55 freeway at 5:15 a.m., where the same man is believed to have shot and killed a driver before taking a BMW.

Cpl. Anthony Bertagna of the Santa Ana Police Department said the carjacker confronted the driver of the BMW at a stop sign and walked him out of the car.

That driver was identified by authorities as Melvin L. Edwards, a Laguna Hills resident and a Santa Ana business owner.

Syed walked the driver to the curb and “basically executed him,” Bertagna said.

About half a dozen bystanders witnessed the shooting, Bertagna said.

Another driver in that area drove in reverse in the southbound lanes of the 55 at about 5:20 a.m., trying to avoid a gunman, a witness said.

Damita Cunningham said the driver in front of her backed into her car and she chased after him trying to get the license number.

“We got off (at) Edinger and he said, ‘You don’t know what happened,’ ” Cunningham said.

The driver told her he backed into her car because a man was pointing a gun at him.

“He panicked and backed into my car so he could get away,” she said.

Police continued to search for the gunman in the area until they received reports of a man with a gun near Edinger and Newport avenues. Two people were shot there before a man took a utility truck, Garaven said. One of the victims was taken to a hospital. The other victim died.

That deceased victim was identified as Jeremy A. Lewis, a construction worker from the area.

Officers were dispatched to multiple shooting scenes, but authorities found the man believed to be the gunman driving on the 55 freeway, Garaven said.

CARS, DRIVERS HIT BY GUNFIRE

Law enforcement officials said they also received reports of indiscriminate shootings, including commuters who reported that they were hit or their cars were hit by gunfire along the 55 freeway.

Police are investigating whether the shooter fired from a moving vehicle or aimed at passing cars, Garaven said. Three victims of gunfire have contacted Tustin police, including one who suffered minor injuries and two whose vehicles were damaged.

Syed is suspected of being the gunman in the shootings was stopped by officers near Wanda and Katella.

“The suspect shot and killed himself,” Garaven said, before officers were able to contact him.

A shotgun was retrieved in that area.

Residents stood outside the crime scene tape, where the body of the man believed to be the gunman was visible under a yellow tarp.

"I’ve never seen anything like this in this neighborhood," said Leo Kueny, a 44-year-old resident. "It’s a very strange day
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2013, 08:11:21 PM »
And yet our Vice Clown is proclaiming: "If there's ever a problem," Biden said he told his wife Jill, "just walk out on the balcony here--walk out, put that double barrel shot gun and fire two blasts outside the house -- I promise you whoever is coming in ... You don't need an AR-15, it's harder to aim, it's harder to use...Buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!"
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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2013, 11:43:57 AM »
Interesting......apparently it can't be spun.  Wall to wall coverage if the killer would have used a pseudo assault weapon though.  Same murdering, same chaos, but far different media scrutiny & obsession, based not on the act, which it should, but on the tool used instead.  Sad
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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2013, 12:24:12 PM »
How ghastly that they would unfairly discriminate against a gun. It sounds like guns are not being given equal rights.
 How unfair!
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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2013, 01:15:01 PM »
naaa, actually, how hypocritical, not to mention intellectually dishonest
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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2013, 03:25:10 PM »
Perhaps guns, being inanimate objects, do not actually have rights like people.

I would think that a gun has no more rights than a La-Z boy, an Osterizer or a Frigidaire
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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2013, 03:30:13 PM »
Minus the ridiculousness of argueing a point, never made, ie guns have rights, of course you'll be able to highlight La-Z boys in the Constitution?  What's that you say??.......you don't have a right to a LaZ boy??  OMG
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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2013, 03:50:23 PM »
You have the right to remain seated. You have the right to recline. You have the right to a cushion.If you cannot pay for a cushion, one will be provided for you.

The Constitution does grant rights to guns, dummy, just citizens in a well organized militia. So go organize yourself..
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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2013, 04:07:22 PM »
Why, oh why, oh why do you keep making a fool of yourself, argueing points never made??  How the hell did you derail yourself into arguing that guns don't have rights, as if that was EVER even inferred that they did??    :o 
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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2013, 04:38:27 PM »
I haven't read this thread and don't intend to. It's no like they're enough gun threads in here. However, I have no doubt, this Sirs poster will be wrong yet again.  Ding ding ding, thanks for playing.


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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2013, 05:31:21 PM »
Of course you're going to make an effort to avoid this...its about a crazed killer NOT using what he's supposed to use, as claimed by the emotion driven gun control contingent.  Thus kinda hard to start demanding a ban on shotguns, when you haven't gotten over the demand on banning pseudo assault weapons, and the Vice Clown is actually advocating more shot guns

Not to mention, kinda hard to demonstrate where I'm supposedly wrong and where so, when you consciously avoid demonstrating exactly how.  Again, your say so is pretty much worth less than squat
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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2013, 10:32:27 AM »
The same government that tells us they are fairly helpless and just can't do anything about illegals thinks that they can find and register hundreds of millions of our LEGALLY owned firearms? Tell me how that's going to work! They are going to create their own tyranny against law-abiding citizens and yet turn their heads to those criminals here illegally? This is your sign that your government is off-the-rails criminally insane themselves!
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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2013, 01:04:02 PM »
Can't really disagree with you, on that one
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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2013, 11:54:55 PM »
Actually, President Obama has been quite serious about deporting illegals who have committed crimes. The total number of illegals has not increased since he was elected.

Not so with Olebush or Juniorbush.
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Re: Time to ban shotguns now, as well
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2013, 12:44:14 AM »
Funny...illegals that have illegally crossed into this country HAVE committed a crime.  Or did you not grasp that with the accurate term of ILLEGAL alien/immigrant means?
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