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And this is one way how it works.....
« on: March 13, 2013, 05:00:22 PM »
It'll be nice to hear the Government's version
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New Jersey Woman Arrested for Reciting Constitution at Tax Meeting          

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
March 13, 2013


Police in Clayton, New Jersey, confiscated two guns from a woman after she complained about county government moving to raise her property taxes and inspect her property without a search warrant.

Eileen Hart of Franklin Township was arrested and charged with making terroristic threats, disorderly conduct and harassing officials from the Gloucester County Office of Assessment and Appraisal Systems, Inc.

A county tax assessor told police Hart attended a meeting held with Franklin Township residents to discuss a property revaluation program the county instituted to “bring all home values up to the current market value,” according to the South Jersey Times.

Assessment and Appraisal Systems told the Gloucester County Times last August the pilot revaluation program is not about raising taxes. “A revaluation is not necessary to raise taxes,” Ernest DelGuercio, CEO of the assessment company, told the newspaper. “It ensures everyone is paying their fair share – no more and no less.”

Residents have complained the assessment program violates the Fourth Amendment. In order to make revaluation assessments and determine the tax value of a property, company inspectors must enter homes and inspect them. If not allowed to do so, the company often assesses higher values on homes, leading to increased taxes.

Eileen Hart said she did not allow the Assessment and Appraisal Systems to inspect her home because her husband was not present at the time. She also cited religious reasons. Because it was denied access, the company revalued her property at a higher rate. Hart attended the meeting last weekend to complain about the revaluation and the arbitrary move by the county to assess the value of her property.

After she began reciting the Constitution to support her argument, an Appraisal Systems employee escorted her from the public building.

“I didn’t scream, I didn’t yell,” she told the Examiner. “I have the right to air my grievances against the government in a public setting. I’ve never threatened anyone a day in my life.”

“She also wouldn’t let me speak and told me to sit down and shut up and listen as well,” she explained. “That’s when the young man came toward me. I knew he was going to put his hands on me. I saw him out of the corner of my eye. I said to him ‘Don’t you dare touch me.’ Then they threw us out of the auditorium. The young man from Appraisal Systems, Inc. was the one going postal, and I believe if he had a gun, he would have shot me (and my family) on the spot. I was calm the entire time.”

A spokeswoman for Gloucester County said the assessor “has never experienced this type of extreme behavior from a taxpayer” and the police were notified, apparently because reading the Constitution is considered extremist and a threat.

Although Hart exercised her Fourth Amendment right by not allowing an inspection by government without a court-issued warrant, it did manage to violate her Second Amendment right by confiscating her firearms.

After police arrested her, they demanded she hand over her two guns, a .357-caliber Smith & Wesson revolver and a .40-caliber Glock for “safekeeping.” If she had refused, a judge would have set bail too high for her family to pay.

I have permits for each of them. I applied legally, I got them legally,” she said. “Now I can’t defend myself. I never said the word ‘gun’ at the meeting. None of those people would have even known I was a gun owner.”

No outrage??

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(because the state required her firearms to be registered, they knew she had them.  So even though she was no threat to anyone, nor threatening anyone, exercising her 1st amendment rights, criticising the Government for stepping on her 4th amendment rights, they decide to step on her 2nd amendment rights as well.)
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

sirs

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Re: And this is one way how it works.....
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2013, 05:05:11 PM »
Yea, let's check out this "threatening woman" that the Government feels compelled to confisgate her REGISTERED firearms

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Re: And this is one way how it works.....
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2013, 12:03:45 AM »
A Franklin Township woman was arrested over the weekend after allegedly making threats about bringing a gun to a Gloucester County building, where she was attending a public meeting on tax revaluation. She later handed two guns over to police for safekeeping.

Clayton Police reported on Tuesday that Eileen Hart, 47, was charged with making terroristic threats, disorderly conduct and harassment.

http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2013/03/franklin_woman_threatens_to_br.html

Tax meetings can get quite rowdy. And sometimes people say things in the heat of the moment that they might not have said in calmer moments. And sometimes they get arrested.

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Re: And this is one way how it works.....
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2013, 01:39:11 AM »
So, if there's any validity to the charges, we can expect an indictment...or plea bargain, ......right?
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Re: And this is one way how it works.....
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2013, 02:52:35 AM »
So, if there's any validity to the charges, we can expect an indictment...or plea bargain, ......right?

I think i linked to the local jersey paper if you are interested in a followup. I doubt alex jones will do the follow up.


My neighbor got arrested at one of the council meetings because of a tree ordinance that wouldn't have affected his lot at all. He just went off on one of the female councilwomen , made threats, wouldn't sit down when asked numerous times, and next thing you know he is in handcuffs and on his way to jail. Didn't even mention firearms, just said he would slap the "bitch silly".

Whatcha gonna do, some people just can't help themselves.

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Re: And this is one way how it works.....
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2013, 02:55:38 AM »
Per Mrs Hart, she did no such thing.  And then her weapons were confiscated, because the Government knew she had them.  If that's how it went down, you don't have a problem with that?
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Re: And this is one way how it works.....
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2013, 03:01:35 AM »
Per Mrs Hart, she did no such thing.  And then her weapons were confiscated, because the Government knew she had them.  If that's how it went down, you don't have a problem with that?

Her story does not match up with the jersey papers story. I guess the police report might shed some light on the incident. Most government meetings that include the public either have minutes or recordings that can be looked at also.

My first inclination is to not believe her side of the story. She reminds me of a code pink warrior.

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Re: And this is one way how it works.....
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2013, 03:47:26 AM »
My 1st inclination is to believe her side of the story, given the level of Government regulation/taxation/legislation in play

I guess the follow-up indictment or plea bargain will settle it
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Re: And this is one way how it works.....
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2013, 09:03:26 AM »
My 1st inclination is to believe her side of the story, given the level of Government regulation/taxation/legislation in play

I guess the follow-up indictment or plea bargain will settle it

Be sure to keep us posted.


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Re: And this is one way how it works.....
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2013, 10:46:44 AM »
Thats crazy
Just because the market value of the home has gone up , they shouldn't raise the taxes . It's not like the raised value is providing income for the homeowner. Now if the home got sold then it's worth raising the taxes. This system might encourage people to sell thier homes and leave

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Re: And this is one way how it works.....
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2013, 11:31:03 AM »
My 1st inclination is to believe her side of the story, given the level of Government regulation/taxation/legislation in play

I guess the follow-up indictment or plea bargain will settle it


Be sure to keep us posted.

Ditto
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Re: And this is one way how it works.....
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2013, 12:51:30 PM »
Thats crazy. Just because the market value of the home has gone up , they shouldn't raise the taxes . It's not like the raised value is providing income for the homeowner. Now if the home got sold then it's worth raising the taxes. This system might encourage people to sell thier homes and leave.

Kimba....I think that is pretty standard procedure for taxing authorities.
In Texas your property taxes are based on current values of the house.
Mine recently went down a bit due to the (democrat party caused) housing crash.
But for example my parents bought their house in 1963 for $24K
We sold it in 2004 for $250K
Are you saying they should have been taxed all those 40 years at the $24K value?
I think you're dreaming!

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Re: And this is one way how it works.....
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2013, 02:10:13 PM »
Most local government entities have an appeals process for higher appraisals.

This meeting wasn't an appeals meeting, it was an explanation of the process of reappraisals.

Usually a meeting is set with the tax collection office, where you meet with a mid level govt employee and you show that houses around you were appraised at a lower value.

The employee knows the process and if you aren't a pain in the ass will try to find a way to help you. But if you are a pain in the ass they can and often do say their hands are tied. Threatening to bring guns to the building would be a pain in the ass move.




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Re: And this is one way how it works.....
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2013, 02:13:46 PM »
unless, of course, such a statement was never made
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Re: And this is one way how it works.....
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2013, 02:46:28 PM »
numerous witnesses say different:

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Clayton Police reported on Tuesday that Eileen Hart, 47, was charged with making terroristic threats, disorderly conduct and harassment.

Police said they were dispatched at about 10:22 a.m. Saturday to the Gloucester County Complex on Delsea Drive in Clayton for a report of a possible disturbance.

When they arrived, Sgt. John Dick was informed that the Gloucester County Office of Assessment, along with Appraisal Systems, Inc. were holding a meeting for Franklin Township residents to discuss the countywide property revaluation program that ASI was hired to perform in order to bring all home values up to the current market value.

County tax assessor Robyn Glocker-Hammond told police that a woman who had been at the meeting was asked to leave the complex for causing a disturbance and making threats about coming back with a gun.

Police said Hart wasn't at the complex when they arrived. Workers there gave police information about Hart and the registration of the car she was driving.

Clayton Police and Franklin Township Police located Hart, who lives on Harding Highway in Franklin Township. She was brought back to the Clayton Police Department where she was processed and charged. She was released on her own recognizance pending court, police said.

http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2013/03/franklin_woman_threatens_to_br.html