At least some are being more honest

[Plane]

  The schools have always taught the three R's.

The federal interest is in preventing prayer and fostering good citizenship as the fed defines it.

As they say in song, another brick in the wall.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Any kid can pray in school all they wish. They just cannot be called upon to do it publicly. Kids can say grace over lunch, they can pray all they want. The violation is when teacher leads the class in prayers to Jesus. Or Muhammad, or perhaps to the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[BT]

These are the requirements in regards to evaluation of progress during a given school year in Florida.

Standardized Tests: Only required for parents homeschooling under the homeschool law in Option 1 above. The parent must file a copy of the evaluation with the local school superintendent annually. There is no specific statutory deadline. Fla. Stat. § 1002.41(1)(c). Each student must do one of the following each year:
1) Have educational progress evaluated by a teacher holding a valid regular Florida teaching certificate and selected by the parent. The evaluation must include review of a portfolio and discussion with the student;
2) Take any nationally normed student achievement test administered by a certified teacher;
3) Take “a state student assessment test used by the school district and administered by a certified teacher, at a location and under testing conditions approved by the school district”;
4) Be evaluated by a Florida licensed psychologist or school psychologist; or
5) Be “evaluated with any other valid measurement tool as mutually agreed upon.”
“The district school superintendent shall review and accept the results of the annual educational evaluation….

http://www.hslda.org/laws/analysis/florida.pdf

[kimba1]

Home school is tricky since it depeds on the parent to be a great inhouse tutor. At this moment we mostly hear positive results. But how much is that can be true since parents as a whole has a lesser rep than homeschool

[Xavier_Onassis]

Only required under Option 1.

A test by any certified teacher, rather than a teacher with experience in home schooled students, on any normed standardized test makes this essentially meaningless.

I do not question that home schooled students COULD learn as much, perhaps more, than students enrolled in a school. But there are no really valid evaluation procedures that guarantee this.

"Evaluated with any other valid measurement as mutually agreed upon", could be anything. The law as it stands, is essentially meaningless.

[kimba1]

Actually i've seen one example it can be bad. A friend of mine did home school her kids and one turned out brilliant but the other is special needs and really needed a school enviroment to sync up socially. If you were to talk to him you would notice he talks at a much younger level despite being very intelligent.his social skills simply is not up thier. Eventually the mom did tried to put him to school but the assesment test shows he's two years behind and has doubts he coulds catch up despite of his high intlligence. The low test score is caused by the fact the home schooling did not teach him focus since his mom did not bother teaching that and just stuff she thinks is important.

[sirs]

MSNBC's Harris-Perry Doubles Down on Communist Ads: Fox News Women Respond

[Xavier_Onassis]

She said NOTHING LIKE what these two airheaded women said she did.

She did say, accurately that children are not the property of their parents. And they are not. That is why it is illegal to sell them.

Children should not be destitute, uneducated and hungry even if their parents abandon them, either. That is why we have institutions to deal with orphans and neglected children.
 
Human beings are social beings that live in communities, we are not like coyotes, wandering alone all over the place and only socializing for sex and reproduction.

I have never heard Monica Crowley say anything that made minimal sense.

[Plane]

Children are citizens and wards of their guardians .

Not the playthings of the state.

[BT]

I don't know how many years ii have heard nothing but the lack of parental involvement is why schools fail, yet homeschooling is the complete opposite of lack of parental involvement and here we have folks saying the home schooled are doomed to failure.

Tell that to a former member of PIC (CUSprings) who was attending the University of Colorado after being home schooled, ended up President of her class, went on to the University Of Chicago Law School and is now an intellectual property lawyer in LA.

[sirs]

Some folks just can't handle competition, so they have to try and skew the field in a particular direction, most often via pushing legislators to pass more and more regulations.  If folks like Xo and this Mrs Harris-Perry had their way, they'd do away with homeschooling and private schooling all together.  You see, its just not fair to the others who don't have the means to home school or attend private school  (unless of course you're a rich elite liberal, and then its perfectly acceptable & perfectly fair.  No hypocrisy here, move along)

[Xavier_Onassis]

I did not say that homeschooling is doomed to failure. I did not say that at all. What I said was that it has the capability to range from terrific to abysmal, and the measures taken to guarantee that it is adequate are simply lacking and need to be strengthened to make it viable.

Children are not the property of the state, nor are they the property of their parents. Both parents and the state have a valid interest and obligation to see to it that children are educated for both their own benefit and that of society.

[BT]

Children are not the property of the state, nor are they the property of their parents.

No but the parents are the primary responsible party, not the other way around. The state is backup.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I agree that the parents are primarily responsible for their children, unless they have had the children taken away from them for some serious reason, like child molestation or abuse.

[BT]

I agree that the parents are primarily responsible for their children, unless they have had the children taken away from them for some serious reason, like child molestation or abuse.

And who takes the children away from the state?