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Immigration Reform Cost 6.3 Trillion Dollars

 
May 6, 2013

The comprehensive immigration overhaul being taken up in the Senate this week could cost taxpayers $6.3 trillion if 11 million illegal immigrants are granted legal status, according to a long-awaited estimate by the conservative Heritage Foundation.

The cost would arise from illegal immigrants tapping into the government's vast network of benefits and services, many of which are currently unavailable to them. This includes everything from standard benefits like Social Security and Medicare to dozens of welfare programs ranging from housing assistance to food stamps.

The report was obtained in advance by Fox News.

"No matter how you slice it, amnesty will add a tremendous amount of pressure on America's already strained public purse," Robert Rector, the Heritage scholar who prepared the report, said in a statement.

The numbers could raise additional concerns for Republicans as a Senate committee prepares to consider the legislation later this week.

The comprehensive study also factored in the cost of public education and other services like highways and police. The government is already providing some of those services to illegal immigrants, so the $6.3 trillion figure would not represent all new costs.

But most of that cost would be new spending, according to Heritage, as illegal immigrants gain access to additional government benefits. The study acknowledges that, for a 10-year period, illegal immigrants seeking a reprieve would be barred from these benefits. After that window, though, Heritage forecasts the costs skyrocketing.

On an annual basis, the report estimates the cost will be $106 billion after the interim phase is over. In the course of their lifetime, the report estimates that illegal immigrant households would receive an average of $592,000 in government benefits.

The $6.3 trillion figure is based on what illegal immigrants would cost the government over the course of their lifetime. It factors in the expected taxes they?d pay to the government.

Supporters of immigration legislation have been skeptical of efforts to assign a cost to the immigration bill. Proponents argue that the value of bringing millions of illegal immigrants out of the shadows and presumably into the taxpaying workforce is immeasurable.

Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., a key co-author of the legislation, has also stressed that illegal immigrants applying for legal status would not have access to federal benefits while they are applying.

http://janmorganmedia.com/2013/05/immigration-reform-cost-6-3-trillion-dollars/
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"give each $150K and send them home?"

oh wait a minute
that wont work
cuzz they cant vote for the Taxocrats if we pay them to go home!
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I pionted this out earlier and it never gets address


The recipient of these benefits are not nessicarily illegal meaning americans can pose as multiple illegal aliens to recieve this. So the high cost be that a good chuck of this 11 mil . Might not be real.

Identity theft is quite the thing nowadays

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The recipient of these benefits are not nessicarily illegal meaning americans can pose as multiple illegal aliens to recieve this. So the high cost be that a good chuck of this 11 mil . Might not be real.

Hell even if they were way off the mark and it was half the 11 trillion
thats still a huge huge chunk of money we dont have.
why why why we allow our country to be over-run
with poor, uneducated, low-skilled workers is insanity.
it's suicide!
« Last Edit: May 06, 2013, 09:45:33 PM by Christians4LessGvt »
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why why why we allow our country to be over-run
with poor, uneducated, low-skilled workers is insanity.
it's suicide!




 the major bulk of china`s labor is poor,uneducated,low skilled workers and it progress pretty well with them  I`ll even go as far as say depend on it. if America can`t do the same whose fault is that?

the problem with America was never ability ,but ultilization

americans are the noted to be the most skilled workers in the world but can`t be trusted to make mouse traps. until somebody figure out how to get these folks to work. illegals will always be in demand.


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the major bulk of china`s labor is poor,uneducated,low skilled workers and it progress pretty well with them 
Yes and China is still a third world country.
China has risen from shit to "ok".
We dont want to be Third World.
The US if it imports enough poor uneducated will be third world too.
We don't want to be China....
As the link below shows
The US sits at #3 of the UN's Human Development Index and China sits at a pathetic #101

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

americans are the noted to be the most skilled workers in the world but can`t be trusted to make mouse traps.
Oh Americans can make a mouse trap,
but they have more important things they can do
like create/design technology like I-pads and computers
and let un-educated slave-labor peasants in China build simple stuff like mouse-traps and tennis shoes
assembly lines are last century....and will no doubt be replaced by robots

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Let us not assume that the Heritage Foundation knows anything about anything.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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Uhm
You do know that those ipad and computers are made in china don't you? You will be hard press to find tech made in the U.S.

Third world?
http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/third_world_countries.htm

But besides that using the development index is too general .
Do to sheer size of china's popula tion it'll look like china is underdeveloped compared to the u.s. despite more advance commercial technology,internet,manufactor and medicine.

Remember americans go to asia for medical treatments nowadays.

Forgot to mention unlike america the use of labor is different . The work assembly is design to ultilized unskilled labor to make technology.

The same goes for all other country used for outsourcing from america.

But i'll give credit to america for one thing those annoying safety regulation that seem to hamper businesses has earn alot of trust with the world. Most countries will trust american food products over thier own. America has the best rep for safety.
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P.S. do you really believe china a country not to considered a worthy competitor?

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Uhm ....You do know that those ipad and computers are made in china don't you?
You will be hard press to find tech made in the U.S.

Exactly as I expected...you change the subject you brought up ....mousetraps to where computers are "made"
I thought about addressing that because I knew you'd "run for cover" under that umbrella
Oh well...addressing it now...is just the same.
Yes Kimba...China "makes" computers....basically puts them together
Thats soooooo last century....but soon robots will be even cheaper than slave labor in China!
The point is ingenuity, design, inventive-ness is where it's at

Besides you trying to make a point that a country is somehow better off
in importing tens of millions of poor uneducated unskilled workers seems rather silly
China wants to become as developed as we are,
We dont wanna become a very poor country like China is


Third world?

Yes Third World....but I dont wanna argue over semantics....we can say "Very Poor" instead
China over-all is still a very poor country....basically most of China is a shit-hole.
Has it improved?...Yes!....but it no where near a developed country over-all....like First World Nations
I have a close liberal friend that after college graduation went to China
he travelled all over China....
He said he was utterly astounded at the level of poverty...like really really bad...outside the big cities
China wants/dreams to be like the US...rated high in the UN Development Index.
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I did not say be poor like china. I said learn how to use thier system to ultilize labor. Do you really believe china will never catch up on inventiveness? America is not exactly pushing for creativity in school.
China i pretty sure will make every effort to bridge the creativity gap.
I was not aware i was voiding the topic, i really thought i was facing you head on. I' ll try better but obviously i'm missing something.

I truely believe america is in no position to not learn from other countries,if anything it's a liabilty. Funny you said robots. America invented automated assembly but japan ultilized it since ths country refused to use it til much later on.
Meaning this country is not exactly fighting to stay on top. I hear china will make it own processors soon. Meaning  we may see some made in china computers by your own definition.

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China can build anything the US can. So could most other countries. The important thing is who can build an item at the lowest cost. The Chinese have a huge source of cheap labor in the interior that can be moved easily to factories nearer the coast and convenient distribution points.

If you paid $100 for something made in the US, it most likely cost around $30 to manufacture. If you make the same item in China, the cost is around $10. The difference is an extra $20 in that for some middlemen, and extra profit for the rest of the distribution chain.
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Don't forget redtape

Chins can get a production going in less than a month. In america it takes quite abit longer.

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China can build anything the US can.

Ah, not quite. They had to buy a mothballed nuclear carrier from Russia to get started on that program. They have a ways to go.


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Do you really believe china will never catch up on inventiveness?
Of course they won't catch up....as long as they remain Communist.
Communist make good copy-cats....but not innovators.
And besides Commi-holdbacks....there's this.



UBS' George Magnus: Cultural Genes Are
Preventing China From Leading The World


Rob Wile | Sep. 13, 2012

UBS senior economic adviser George Magnus published a lengthy note earlier this week explaining why Asia is slowing down, and what can be done to avoid it.

One passage stuck out to us because it connected China's lack of technological progress to deap-seated cultural norms.

According to Professor Peng Gong of Tsinghua University and Berkeley, China?s problem isn?t the amount of R&D it produces, but the quality, and this is related to two cultural genes that have passed through generations of Chinese intellectuals.

The first is the Confucian proposal that intellectuals become loyal administrators, the second comes from the writings of Zhuang Zhou who proclaimed that a harmonious society would arise from isolating families to avoid exchange and conflict, and by shunning technology. The modern consequence, he says, is a society that discourages curiosity, critique, challenge, commercialisation and collaborative technology. China's celebrated high speed rail network may be a case in point. Until 2003,the Ministry of Railways sought to develop high speed rail and track without foreign assistance, and in an official attempt to take on world bullet train manufacturers. But this indigenous technology initiative failed seemingly for many of the reasons suggested above, and was abandoned abruptly in favour of a "market access for technology transfer policy", which resulted in approaches to major high speed companies in Japan, France, the UK and Germany. The programme accelerated rapidly, with China buying the patents, but its suppliers retaining the intellectual property rights.

Magnus thinks they must make changes soon or they'll never truly become global leaders:

Anecdotes and examples, such as this, can certainly be seen as half full, or half empty examples of where China has arrived. But there's a strong view that China's innovation and technology shortcomings are rooted in a socio-cultural system, and an incentive system that emphasises incremental over radical change, and quantity over quality and uniqueness. No one can say that these problems will retard Chinese innovation and technological competitiveness forever. But in our view they emphasise that in the absence of on-going political reform, and the creation of robust institutions, China's technological cutting edge may forever lag behind that of its western competitors and rivals.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ubs-george-magnus-china-2012-9#ixzz2Se1gJmD2
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