Belief Is the Least Part of Faith

[BSB]

If it's part of the universe it's interdependent. It's very existence makes it interdependent. Nothing comes into existence by itself. 


BSB

[Xavier_Onassis]

The Universe came into existence by itself or it has always existed, or a Creator came into existence and created it, and the Creator always existed. It is impossible and illogical that there was ever a moment when there was nothing at all.

[BSB]

Can something come into existence by itself, come from nothing, without an interdependent relationship? And during the tenure of these relationships are changes not going to occur which will eventually alter all sides of the interdependency? For humans doesn't the alteration of all these interdependences ultimately result in death, just as they originally resulted in birth? You can't escape your interdependence. That was the Buddha's view of how, and why, all things come and go. And by that the Buddha meant ALL THINGS, including the thoughts, and concepts your mind produces. For the Buddha, Nirvana was freedom from the arising of concepts, for it is the chasing after these concepts that leads to suffering. That's what the Buddha meant by suffering.

BSB 

[Xavier_Onassis]

There are lots of kinds of suffering beyond that. Suffering due to disease, injuries, mental anguish over the death of others one has loved.

[BSB]

I didn't say that there wasn't other kinds of suffer. I'm pointing out that what Buddhists mean when the talk about ending suffering is the cessation of dissatisfaction we can all feel about life. And the kind of dissatisfaction they mean is the kind that comes from chasing your thoughts around. Monkey mind they call it. Instead, according to the Buddhist's teachings, we should live in the present moment.

BSB

[Xavier_Onassis]

Buddhism basically says change what you can, and what you can change is yourself, through refocusing your attitudes on the positive.

What you cannot change, you must accept, because it is all that is possible. Isn't that it?

We have to accept that we will die, and if we do not die, we will grow old and infirm, and perhaps get sick or suffer the death of those we love.

[BSB]

"What you cannot change, you must accept, because it is all that is possible. "

Exactly, acceptance is a big part of Buddhism, and one of the things you have to accept is impermanence. Everything is impermanent. We are in the middle of, part of, constant change. For years I had a very bad back. Then it got better and for several decades I was relatively pain free. Now the pain has returned. Change. Causes and conditions have altered. I just have to accept it.

BSB

[Plane]

Buddhism basically says change what you can, and what you can change is yourself, through refocusing your attitudes on the positive.

What you cannot change, you must accept, because it is all that is possible. Isn't that it?

We have to accept that we will die, and if we do not die, we will grow old and infirm, and perhaps get sick or suffer the death of those we love.

If you like acceptance , what don't you like about Job?

[Xavier_Onassis]

I will start with the fact that poor Job is used as a pawn in some sort of macho war between Satan and God, in which both know who will win.

One can accept blind fate and bad circumstance far easier than the unnecessary acts an omnipotent asshole

[Plane]

  So when Satan accuses God of injustice , you think that God need take no notice?

[Xavier_Onassis]

So when Satan accuses God of injustice , you think that God need take no notice?

Of COURSE NOT! God has no need to prove that he has Godly cojones to Satan. God knows who and what Satan is, and all he has to do is ignore him, just like we ignore door to door salesmen and Jehovah's Witlesses.


When Satan accuses God of injustice, it is like when your cat accuses you of insufficient tuna in her dish.

The "God" character in the Book of Job is clearly an asshole.

The "Satan" character is also an asshole.

The "Job" character is a schlemiel.

No way do I believe that this is more than just some folktale. Like much of the Bible, it is not to be taken seriously.

What gets me is that after poor Job has endured all the assholic nonsense that "God" throws at him,  after his wife is dead, all his children are dead, all his livestock are dead, whoever wrote this sicko nonsense says that at the end, God restores everything to Job. Bah!

If someone killed Mrs Plane and all the little Planes, and Planes dog and cat, and then he gave Plane a new, different wife and children, would that be fair and just, in your opinion?

[Plane]

So God need not be good ?


If God built Plane nd the Plane family (including the cat) he has the right to unbuild them in any order he pleases, as a matter of fact he has a right to include planned obsolesence in their design such that they all die , every one of them.

How elese could he be fair at all?


The point is not to make Satan understand Gods goodness , but that God actually be good .

[Xavier_Onassis]

That is horseshit. It is like saying that you have  a total right to kill your children.
The "God" character in the Book of Job is an asshole.

It is a stupid tale, not the word of any sane God.

Neither God nor Satan in the disgusting bit of fiction is admirable in any way. Job himself is only a victimized sockpuppet.

[Plane]

So you don't believe in abortion anymore?

Horray!



I would like to use your thesis that everything you do not understand is stupid.

Look out Bhuddism!

I have just been taught a means to disprove the whole thing .
Or at least the bits I fail to understand .

So....

Lots of it.

[BSB]

"If God built Plane nd the Plane family (including the cat) he has the right to unbuild them in any order he pleases, as a matter of fact he has a right to include planned obsolesence in their design such that they all die , every one of them."

I wouldn't know where to start when deconstructing this. It would take a thesis.

BSB