Why The Feds Chickened Out On A Nevada Ranch

[Plane]

   I am pretty familiar with cows, haven't ever seen a cow bother a turtle.

[Xavier_Onassis]

So why didn't he pay his taxes?

I am uninclined to feel sorry for some rich old gasbag who is also a tax cheat.

[sirs]

So now its back to taxes, and not rent      Strange.....I've never seen you complain about Barney Frank....or Democrat Sen. Howard Metzenbaum....or John Edwards.....or John Kerry....or the Kennedy's....or Democrat Sen. Tom Daschle....or Charles B. Rangel....or of all people Treasury secretary, Timothy F. Geithner.  ALL of whom have either moved to avoid paying higher taxes, have set up trusts to avoid paying higher taxes, or simply just didn't pay them, and then claim ignorance when caught.  Nope, not a peep of protest from yourself.

Yet, why all the Federal firepower here for supposed back taxes??     

[Christians4LessGvt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtEVg8KNgBA#t=246

[Xavier_Onassis]

I have NO OBLIGATION whatever to denounce anyone because of your warped views.

The thing is that the cattle do not bother the turtles, they eat their food. This is very sparse desert land. If you had driven across Nevada, you would understand.

[sirs]

A) no one is requiring you to denounce anyone/anything.  It merely highlights your hypocrisy and/or ignorance on the issue

B) I have driven across Nevada (beautiful state, btw)......move the damn turtles, as there are far fewer of them, and take up far less room, if its such a burden to them.  You do realize nature has been doing the moving for them?  Been doing that for millions of years.  If an animal can't deal with a situation it moves, or dies. 

C) Still doesn't explain how more firepower was aimed at this rancher than was used to try and rescue our fallen Americans in Benghazi

[Xavier_Onassis]

No one was shot or even shot at.

The BLM came armed because this old fart said he would be armed.

Other ranchers moved or got rid of their cattle. Other ranchers paid  the BLM rent.

The rightwingers hate the idea that indigent Americans might actually get a heart operation without paying, but somehow a millionaire old fart wh refuses to pay his rent for decades should get whatever he wants for free?  Why is that? 

Fox has taken this story up to raise their viewership and therefore its advertising fees.  What could possibly get a ratbag right winger more het up than a chance to see a shootout between the evil Feds and some grizzly old fart out in tumbleweed country? The story is made to order. Like Duck Dynasty, except they don't have to pay the actors, and someone might actually Die Nasty

[sirs]

No one was shot or even shot at.  The BLM came armed because this old fart said he would be armed.

Doesn't change the FACT that more firepower was brought to bear on this 1 rancher and his unarmed cows, than was used to try and save Americans in Benghazi

The rightwingers hate the idea that indigent Americans might actually get a heart operation without paying, but somehow a millionaire old fart wh refuses to pay his rent for decades should get whatever he wants for free?  Why is that? 

Because that entire premise is fatally flawed, from top to bottom.  That's why

A) Heathcare is not a right
B) "Rightwingers" love the idea of charity and to help others in need.  "Rightwingers" are FAR more giving and charitable than those so-called compassionate liberals, who are great at spending other people's $$$.  "Rightwingers" do hate the idea that Government thinks they can spend other people's money, better than they can.
C) Now we're back to rent, not taxes or the tortise??  I wish you folks could get your stories straight   

[Xavier_Onassis]

Free use of government land is not guaranteed by the Constitution. A million dollars in unpaid rent is a lot of money. You guys are always complaining about the deficit: guess what: not getting this geezer to pay his rent makes the deficit worse.

Benghazi was not a planned event, this was. Hence your silly comparison is, well, silly.

By the way, here is what you do not know: terrapins and tortoises use burrows to protect themselves from the Sun and heat. Ranchers dislike all animals that burrow because cattle occasionally get their leg stuck in a prairie dog or other animal burrow and break a leg, and end up feeling buzzards rather then being shipped off to star in a Wendyburger. Ranchers often pour gasoline down burrows, stuff dynamite into burrows and leave poison in burrows to eliminate the burrowing animals. I am not sure whether these particular tortoises dig their own holes or use burrows made by other animals, but that would be one reason for the government to rfefuse to continue renting this part of the desert to Bundy and others.

You believe in charity, send Bundy a check already.

[sirs]

Professor Misdirection strikes again.  Oy, where to begin

A) WHAT AND HOW MUCH EXACTLY IS THE DEBACLE "SUPPOSEDLY" ABOUT??  1st its taxes, then the turtles, then rent, then taxes, then turtles, then rent.  1st its a million dollars, then its no more than a couple hundred K, then its about the turtles again, now back up to a million.  Try sticking to 1 scenario

B) You don't want to go there, as far as who's not embracing policies that are exploding our debt & deficit.  This rancher's "million", if that actually was the issue, wouldn't even be the loss of 1 pine needle on a pine tree

C) Planned vs not is completely irrelevant.  That'd be the silly part.  The FACT remains that more firepower and weapons were aimed at this rancher and his unarmed cows than were used to try and rescue 4 condemned Americans in Benghazi

D) Turtles, Cows, Gophers, Buzzards, & Prairie dogs have been living together for eons.  There are days in some areas of the country where folks go shoot prairie dogs in mass.  So, whatever your point is, again is largely irrelevant to the current thread of "debate", since you've now added yet another different reason for this debacle.  1st its taxes, then the turtles, then rent, then taxes, then turtles, then rent, now its about not letting this ONE rancher use his cattle on land, where this rancher alone allegedly is using gasoline, poison, and/or dynamite against the poor turtles, who may or may not have dug any of their own holes, while all other ranchers are apparently exempt??  Seriously??

and E) why would I need to donate money to someone who's already financially far more well off than I, as you've already referenced??     

[Xavier_Onassis]

Cattle are NOT native to Nevada. Ranchers are also NOT native to Nevada. People with rifles, dynamite, toxic substances are NOT native to Nevada. Ranchers with guns , their cattle have NOT been living in Nevada for "eons". They have barely been there since the early 1900's. There was no market for beef from Nevada until the railroads and highways came through, I imagine that was in the 1920's or thereabout.

You should donate to Bundy so he can buy ammo and guns.He might have to pay the Feds a million dollars, that should set him back a bit.

Bundy owes the Feds money for non payment of rent. That is one issue.

The Feds do not want to rent land to anyone anymore, that is another issue.

This entire affair is being pumped by Fox to raise their viewership, which will allow them to get paid more for ads. This is sort of a combination of the kid who fell down a well "continuing events" story plus a Duck Dynasty, crusty old farts with guns story. It is ideal for attracting the eyeballs of right wing hicktown yokels. The network has to pay for the phonies on Duck Dynasty to grow their beards and act out their roles as hicks with money, it is a combination of the Beverley Hillbillies and a reality show. The marketing for Duck Dynasty crap is amazing. They have at least a dozen overpriced Chinese-made Duck Dynasty items at my local Wal*Mart, and it is not even in hick country.

[sirs]

Cattle are NOT native to Nevada. Ranchers are also NOT native to Nevada. People with rifles, dynamite, toxic substances are NOT native to Nevada. Ranchers with guns , their cattle have NOT been living in Nevada for "eons". They have barely been there since the early 1900's. There was no market for beef from Nevada until the railroads and highways came through, I imagine that was in the 1920's or thereabout.

And there was no fire, before there was fire.  That entire paragrapgh is pretty much irrelevant.  Just thought I'd point that out.

Bundy owes the Feds money for non payment of rent. That is one issue.

So, not taxes, now its rent.  How much??  And how does that justify the amount of firepower brought in that our fellas in Benghazi were denied??

The Feds do not want to rent land to anyone anymore, that is another issue.

So, putting asside the Fox deflection attempt, basically you're helping to reinforce an accurate criticism Conservatives have had about ever expanding Government....where, at any time they can simply say "no more of this", based on nothing more than someone(s) don't want it any more.  Your contribution is appreciated

[Xavier_Onassis]

The Feds do not wish to rent THIS PARTICULAR land, and since they own it, they do not have to. It is dry desert land, where a cow needs ten acres to find dinner. And there is the native wildlife to protect as well. This is not even third class grazing land. And this old bastard owes a million dollars in back rent. If it were your land, you would evict his tired old ass as well, unless you are a dolt.

[sirs]

You keep making my point, xo.  Why now?  There is no rational reason outside of lobbied interests.  Give enough power to a central oppressive Government, and one day you can do "x", the next day the Government decides "x" isn't appropriate any more

And you're going to have to back up the claim there's a million dollars owed in back rent

Boy, I bet Ambassador Stevens would have accepted even half the amount of armed Federal agents, that showed up to deal with a bunch of unarmed cows

[Christians4LessGvt]