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Honest Liberals vs Fascist Progressives
« on: April 21, 2014, 02:47:09 PM »
Liberals Must Choose Between Freedom And Fascism
Kurt Schlichter | Apr 21, 2014

Honest liberals are having their Andrew Breitbart moment. Andrew started out as a liberal, except he was the kind of liberal that’s exceedingly rare today. He was a liberal who actually believed in the things liberals say they believe in, like free expression and personal autonomy.

But they don’t.

Andrew’s change began when he watched the Clarence Thomas hearings. He saw a “high-tech lynching,” as racist Democrats intent on stamping out dissent among black Americans channeled their former Majority Leader/KKK Exalted Cyclops Robert Byrd in attacking the black jurist for refusing to toe the liberal line.

Andrews’s views didn't change. What changed was his understanding of who actually stands for freedom. And it isn’t liberals.

Which brings us to the recent kerfuffle involving popular comic Patton Oswalt. He is known as a sarcastic, snarky, underdog with genuine stand-up chops. He’s also an occasional movie and television star who recently had a memorable role on “Justified,” a conservative favorite due to its general awesomeness and the presence of right wing acting legend Nick Searcy.

By all accounts a funny, decent guy, Oswalt thinks of himself as a liberal, and he frequently bickers with conservatives on Twitter. That's fine. Many conservatives died to give him that right. Conservatives don't resent him for doing so even as they disagree with what he says. But that's not true of his allies on the left. They want to shut him up. You see, Oswalt pulled a Clarence Thomas and left the reservation without the chiefs’ permission.

What was Oswalt’s crime? He tweeted approvingly about a Mark Steyn column in which the conservative raconteur took on the global progressive assault on free expression. He made the mistake of characterizing Steyn’s forceful advocacy of free speech as “hitting it out of the park.”

That, the Left cannot forgive.

You see, Mark Steyn is evil. He has ideas liberals don’t approve of. So to cite him as he took on the left’s Ball Gag Caucus was simply unacceptable to the progressive conformity enforcers. Soon Oswalt found himself swamped by a tsunami of Twitter outrage.

Oswalt, stunned but so-far uncowed, tweeted back that his erstwhile allies were proving Steyn’s point. And he was right.

The challenge for honest liberals is to get their collective heads around the fact that the liberalism they think they subscribe to is being advocated and defended only by the very conservatives their prejudices and ignorance have led them to believe are undermining it. The real enemy of free expression isn't the conservative John Lithgow in “Footloose” banning dancing because of some idiosyncratic take on Jesus’s teachings. The real threat is the pseudo-enlightened schoolteacher on “Glee” enforcing his rigid progressive vision of diversity. And his vision of diversity is a diverse collection of those ideas he approves of and no others.

So is Oswalt going to stand up for freedom and take his lumps, or is he going to take the easy path of submission and obedience to the politically correct commands of the gatekeepers of liberalism?

It's a lot easier to submit, to not fight, to not make a fuss. What happens when you make a fuss? Remember John Lovitz? He’s another liberal who stood up to political correctness on social media. Do you see John Lovitz in a lot of movies these days?

Did Lovitz suddenly become unmarketable about the same time he became uncontrollable, or are people just afraid to be seen with him lest his new reputation for heresy rub off?

The temptation for someone like Oswalt, when faced with the braying mob of radical feminists, crypto-fascist academics, and assorted other progressive weirdoes, losers and mutations, must be overwhelming. It's so easy to surrender, to redouble your attacks on conservatives to prove you’re still one of the gang. All you have to do is hand over your autonomy and they'll give you a pass. Sure, it's humiliating, but who needs self-respect when you can guest star on “Two and a Half Men?”

Oswalt can submit, or he can face the fact, as must other honest liberals, that the side they think they are on doesn’t remotely believe in free expression. It doesn’t believe in free thought. It doesn’t believe in diversity. It believes in a crushing conformity enforced by a creepy Red Guard of politically correct goose-steppers with gender studies degrees, Twitter accounts and the burning need to bend others to their will.

We don't have to agree with what Patton Oswalt says, but the difference is that we conservatives aren’t the ones trying to silence him. We will argue with him. We will fight with him. But we won’t try to stick a rag in his pie hole. That's what his “friends” are trying to do.

Oswalt and other honest liberals need to decide who their friends really are.
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Honest Liberals vs Fascist Progressives
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2014, 02:59:13 PM »
Incomprehensible drivel. 

Nom one wanted to censor Clarence Thomas, they just found him to be a bad choice for the Supreme Court. And this has been proven out very well. Thomas is a dink.
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Re: Honest Liberals vs Fascist Progressives
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2014, 03:07:39 PM »
The silencing effort came in the form of trying to trivilize nothing more than a perceived rudeness into some mountain of sexual harrassment, and pushed by the left, especially when defending Thomas.

The silencing effort comes from those "tolerant" folks on the left that decry that "the debate is over" (be it global warming, gay marriage, Obamacare, abortion, etc.), and proclaim how any further effort to criticize anything liberal/obama is tantamout to hate speech, racism, bigotry, homophobia, etc.

The silencing effort comes in the form of those citing that conservatives should just shut up and/or no one should listen to them.  The silencing effort is exactly how Oswalt describes it
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Re: Honest Liberals vs Fascist Progressives
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2014, 11:40:59 PM »
Free speech includes saying the words "Shut the fuck up, you moron".

Morons need to hear it rather often.
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Re: Honest Liberals vs Fascist Progressives
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2014, 12:03:15 AM »
Saying it is one thing.  Pushing for it is quite a different tact
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2014, 12:19:38 AM »
I follow him on twitter and it`s doesn`t seem to be that much of effect on him. but then I mi8ght be using twitter wrong . I got the feeling I`m not using it as intensely as I should be. I mainly post kitten videos once in awhile for my niece. lets just say if I do something highly unpopular cyberbullying will not work on me at all.


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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2014, 12:23:50 AM »
Exactly.  I have a renewed respect for Patton now, because he appears to be an honest liberal vs the other sort that would want to squelch opposing viewpoints
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Re: Honest Liberals vs Fascist Progressives
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2014, 02:21:39 AM »
what I`ve observed about patton is he might stand his ground possibly dare a face to face the critics. remember he`s a comedian meaning he`s normally dealt with harsh critics to begin with. it all depends on how tough politics is compared to the entertainment world. I found out the music world is harshier then politics.

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Re: Honest Liberals vs Fascist Progressives
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2014, 12:47:56 AM »
 

Nom one wanted to censor Clarence Thomas, they just found him to be a bad choice for the Supreme Court. And this has been proven out very well. Thomas is a dink.

  Could you point to an opinion or decision that supports this assertion?

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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2014, 12:13:41 PM »
Pretty much all of them. Plus, he is mute on the bench and has nothing to say. His wife is a lobbyist and that is a conflict of interest in my book.
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Re: Honest Liberals vs Fascist Progressives
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2014, 06:55:35 PM »
  Thomas has written a lot of stuff ,speaks too, you think him mute because no one you trust at all will repeat anything he has to say.

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Re: Honest Liberals vs Fascist Progressives
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2014, 02:00:46 PM »
Perhaps Progressive Democrats should start practicing what they preach, and begin tolerating ideas with which they disagree
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2014, 03:10:51 PM »
but is this really a liberal thing or a tendency of party polarizations. notice nobody is admitting going toward the middle

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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2014, 03:52:55 PM »
Yea, it really is a liberal thing Kimba.  You don't see any other party or movement within any other ideology that not only wants the other side to "shut up", but will pull all forms of rhetoric to try and shame folks into remaining quiet, such as anything critical of the President, must be racist.  Anyone(s) that don't support bigger, more intrusive government, must be racist.  If you don't support gay marriage, you must be hateful & homophobic.  If you don't support a wonman's right to terminate an unborn child, you must hate women and want government to force them to seek back-ally abortions.

And we won't even go into the so-called "Fairness Doctrine".  It goes on and on and on and on Kimba, garbage primarily coming from those so called "tolerant folks" who couldn't be more intolerant of ideas, people, and policy that doesn't agree with them.  That's not saying that every side has their bombastic mouthpieces.  But even the bombastic ones on the conservative side don't demand that the other side shut up, or that they shouldn't be heard.  They actually support as much of their ignorance and vileness to reach the public as possible
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2014, 05:41:14 PM »
I`m not so sure  . it maybe more of a back and forth thing. what you say is true about liberal but eventually they`ll go too far again Ex. prop 8 and pull back the same goes with conservatives Ex. mitt romney.

again not a party thing but maybe a polarization thing which encourages extemes . not too different than a kid who test the parent how far he can go before  his internet privilege goes away. the core problem is all parties unknowingl;y answer to the middle and sadly very little gets done.