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kimba1

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Speaking of tenure
« on: June 12, 2014, 04:00:23 AM »
I don't doubt any of negative claims about tenure but I don`t recall  people ever saying why should a good teacher stay


http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/editorials/article/An-overdue-ruling-on-teacher-tenure-5543026.php
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Re: Speaking of tenure
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2014, 11:51:15 AM »
Wow Kimba....thanks for sharing.

"No issue is dearer to unions than job guarantees that protect
some 400,000 teachers in this state.
But these rules work against weeding out weak teachers"
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Re: Speaking of tenure
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2014, 12:24:46 PM »
if you notice it says this hurts low income schools . meaning the weak teachers are weeded out but not in a manner some people are happy about.

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Re: Speaking of tenure
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2014, 02:30:24 PM »
The purpose of tenure is to prevent a school administration from firing someone because of views they have expressed ot teaching tactics they have used. It is no more justified at the college level than in lower grades.

My university claimed that they could not afford tenure for anyone, even though they fired almost no one. A new president decided to comply with the AAUP Guidelines and begin a tenure procedure in 1992, 15 years after I had begun teaching there. I was granted tenure and Full Professor status the following year. It did not affect the way I taught or what I said or did in class or in public in any way. The change in status got me a 4% raise. Big Whoop.

I am all for tenure after a maximum of 7 years teaching in the same place.
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Re: Speaking of tenure
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2014, 03:06:57 PM »
 on further thought this is abit tricky because what is a good teacher? it pretty much means you need a teacher who can teacher children who don`t want to learn. which is the bulk of the kids in question in that article. true students are the one involved in the complain but I have a hard time believing most kids complain about bad teachers . whatb I`m getting at is removing tenure will hardly attracted the desired type of teacher .

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Re: Speaking of tenure
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2014, 06:44:09 PM »
One reason people take up teaching is that although it rarely pays well, at least you have job security.
I never made big money teaching. I taught myself how to invest and for 20 years (not consecutive, though) I made more from investments than I did from salary.
That was because the college had really screwed up before I arrived, and a previous president had deducted retirement from faculty salaries and paid not a cent to their account. So they were ordered to begin a fully vested 403b retirement plan, which meant that I could move money around within it in various mutual funds
I also invested in IRAs and later Roth IRAs from the first years they were available.

One year of unemployment can destroy most of many people's savings.
I was never paid well, or even what the average private college prof makes, but I was never unemployed and I generally never bought a new anything, except for computers.

If you take away tenure, many of the smarter teachers will leave. Being smart does not necessarily make one a good teacher, but it has more positive results than being a stupid teacher.

This has always been a very anti-intellectual country. Teachers and academic credentials are not respected.
The stereotype of a genius in the US is like Emmett Brown, the inventor of the DeLorean Time machine from Back to the future: a weird-looking guy who mumbles incoherently. Or take the cast of The Big Bang Theory: a bunch of smart guys with PhD's that still believe in superheroes.  Most inventors and geniuses are nothing like that. We never portray lawyers, businessmen or entrepreneurs like that.

I liked Back to the Future and the Big Bang Theory, by the way, but these things send to wrong message to the uneducated and kids who take that silliness too seriously. No one wants to be Urkle.
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Re: Speaking of tenure
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2014, 11:09:22 PM »
I totally agree with you and have said often that this is a very anti-intellectual country. I also point out the word nerd is hardly said in a positive fashion. Awhile back thier was a reality show called who wants to marry a multi-millionare. One of the requirements is no computer nerds. Meaning even gold diggers don't want them.

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Re: Speaking of tenure
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2014, 08:25:09 PM »
And yet, if I point out the most glaring spelling errors, I get attacked for it.
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Re: Speaking of tenure
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2014, 10:47:34 PM »
  Actually I don't mind .

  As I spell the worst , I need not mind the least.

   Is it fair to laugh at the foibles of teachers who should know better?

    Or are we laughing at the error of a poor typesetter?

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Re: Speaking of tenure
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2014, 12:21:20 AM »
Or are we laughing at the error of a poor typesetter?

No....it's called changing the subject....deflecting from the real subject...so what else is new?
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Re: Speaking of tenure
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2014, 02:46:06 AM »
Actually 
I blame bad spelling in general on our over dependence(i just used a dictionary thier) on spellchecking but on that case i blame whatever teacher (if any) looked over the proofreading. Let me point out  the quick to blame public education on this matter.  Is that really fair to make such a wide sweeping blame ?

Note that if a person used spelling checking it would still have the same result.  Wow that just popped in my head. I took just brain stuff and I'm alittle wired right now.

p.S. 22 jump street is funny ass hell