Author Topic: How to halt the flood of Children  (Read 2261 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Plane

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 26993
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
How to halt the flood of Children
« on: July 05, 2014, 07:10:29 PM »
Simple.

Republican couples need to adopt as many of them as they can, perhaps all of them.

Raising them as young Republicans, the horrified parents of Central   America would demand the return of the tots before they could be corrupted.

President Obama would build a fence too tall for practical light aircraft and reinforced concrete to a depth that scrapes the Moho.


http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2014/0701/Illegal-immigration-Amid-flood-of-kids-11-year-old-s-death-adds-human-face-video
« Last Edit: July 05, 2014, 07:16:50 PM by Plane »

Plane

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 26993
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: How to halt the flood of Children
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2014, 07:21:48 PM »
http://www.reuters.com/investigates/adoption/#article/part1


On the other hand , who ensures that adoption is done well?

Xavier_Onassis

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 27916
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: How to halt the flood of Children
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2014, 09:05:25 PM »
Putting children willing to be adopted up for adoption is not a bad idea at all.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

kimba1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8031
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: How to halt the flood of Children
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2014, 02:03:01 PM »
adoption is a tricky thing since thiers always a chance the biological parents can come in and take the child back. despite decades of effort even people here refer to biological parents as real parents.

Plane

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 26993
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: How to halt the flood of Children
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2014, 03:42:40 PM »
Nine times of ten legal adoption works well and all parties benefit.


There is probably no way to accommodate this number of children in legal adoption.

Illegal adoption is hit or miss , and if anything might be worse it is institutional care, least of all is allowing the children to live a feral existence on the street.


There is a real duty to care for these unfortunate children , does not matter how they came to be so unfortunate, but I fear that there is going to be a lot of failure in the process.

Xavier_Onassis

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 27916
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: How to halt the flood of Children
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2014, 07:13:34 PM »
I imagine that most of the parents would not want to put their children up for adoption. But there are sure to be some orphans.

I have no idea what the statistics are about the success of adoptions. nine out of ten seems to be a rather high figure, unless you set the standards pretty low.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

kimba1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8031
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: How to halt the flood of Children
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2014, 07:49:25 PM »
not really sure such data is reliable on success rate. adoption is not a unified system whether it`s federal or state. so it`s quite different from place to place.

Plane

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 26993
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: How to halt the flood of Children
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2014, 09:45:41 PM »
http://www.reuters.com/investigates/adoption/#article/part1


   This article is about the frequent failure of less than legal adoption.

    These children deserve the respect that all innocent human beings deserve , but who is responsible to see to their need?

     There might not be the resource available to have a high success rate.

Xavier_Onassis

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 27916
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: How to halt the flood of Children
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2014, 12:31:07 PM »
In any event, adoptions will not stop the children from Central America from coming here. Sending them back immediately is probably the only thing that would slow this down. This is probably not good for the children. When we finally get a comprehensive immigration bill, there can be provisions for these children. Until then, the situation will not go away and ct be blamed on President Obama.

I have been to Guatemala, Hondurans and El Salvador, mostly back before the stupid Reagan interventions. There always were a lot of stray kids shining shoes, begging and selling chiclets in the streets in every town in those countries. In the 1980's there was a major uprising  El Salvador  and the Sandinistas took over Nicaragua, held elections and threw out the ancient Sandinista oligarchy, which was allied with a number of American fatcats. Eliot Abrams was connected to the oligarchy in Salvador, He was just the most prominent one, but not the biggest of the buddies of the old dictatorships.  Congress banned Reagan from aiding the contras, but he thumbed his nose at them and they did not have the guts to impeach the treacherous old geezer, and he sent tons and tons of weapons to the oligarchies of all three countries as well as the Nicaraguan Contras, blathering crap about our 'back yard".  Reagan sold weapons to the Iranians that had held our diplomats hostage for 444 days and sent the money to the contras. The CIA smuggled dope and spent it on crap for the Reagan's secret war.

All the fighting created a lot of refugees, who came to the US and many young men went to LA and other cities, committed crimes because they had no marketable sjkills, and got thrown in prison, where the formed  gangs like Salvatrucha MS 13 got hideous tattoos and were the deported back to Central America, and where there were no gangs, because these were originally  countries of poor subsistence farmers, they took over street crime in those three countries. This crap is blowback from the immense stupidity reactionary creeps like Eliot Abrams and that doddering old fool, Ronald Reagan. Note that Nicaragua was eventually allowed to have its own elections, and elected first some right wingers, then some centrists and finally the Sandinistas again, and although there is a lot of poverty and corruption, street gangs are a much smaller problem and there are vastly fewer children coming here from Nicaragua.

Hondurans elected a slightly leftist government, and the military, with the help of the US right wingers, threw it out and replaced the president with one of their own. Honduras had no major internal unrest until that old bastard Reagan, sent weapons and advisers to teach the Honduran military how to deal with student protesters and union organizers.

 
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

sirs

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 27078
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: How to halt the flood of Children
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2014, 01:09:30 PM »
Recind the rather unconstitutiinal executive order allowing "dreamers" to come here without risk of being deported.  That'll stop the flood quite significantly, since that's what got this wave started in the 1st place
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

Xavier_Onassis

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 27916
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: How to halt the flood of Children
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2014, 01:42:44 PM »
That is almost certainly untrue.

And no one is going to rescind that, either. Not even a Republican. Watch and see. It won;lt happen, nor should it.

The difficulty is that the children either get killed or kidnapped along the way, or end up in a hearing for refugee status, which at least some clearly deserve, since their lives are threatened in their home countries. There is a backup of over a year for these hearings, so the coyotes who specialize in smuggling the kids to the border point out that they must have made it, since few have returned. The Dream Act has very, very little to do with this. 
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

sirs

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 27078
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: How to halt the flood of Children
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2014, 01:51:51 PM »
Given your track record of "claims", it most certainly is.  While Bush signed into law, in 2008, allowing illegal children from places other that Canada & Mexico, to be granted the "legal process" of determining if the child could stay here legally, there was no wave.  Central American countries have been warring for decades, and there was no wave.  It was only after THIS President made clear that any child getting here, with the purpose of his adhering to his unilateral "dream act" law, coupled by the more recent decision that the Justice Dept will not be enforcing current immigration law, as it relates to any "minors", (including those ADULTS accompanying them), is when the flood started to hit

Rescinding the original order is the only thing that will stop this flood.  Throwing more tax payer $$$$'s at it won't.  Continuing to reward the illegal act will only continue the current flood
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

Xavier_Onassis

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 27916
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: How to halt the flood of Children
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2014, 04:24:42 PM »
Nothing will ever completely end children coming to the US for asylum or to be with mommy, or whatever.
All they can do is to justify sending them back, and then doing so.
Some are surely entitled to asylum.

Even if not one single child is allowed to stay, there will still be a significant number that do not return to their neighborhoods in Central America. Some will not return because they were killed or abducted, some will return to a different country of a different part of theoir own country. And those will be believed to be the ones that "made it".

Either this is or is not the sort of country that would plunk a twelve year old girl on the border and tell her to get walking, or to drop her back in her home country to be raped and murdered, or it is not that sort of country. I think I know what sort of country the Republicans think it should be.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

sirs

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 27078
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: How to halt the flood of Children
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2014, 04:40:05 PM »
Nothing will ever completely end children coming to the US for asylum or to be with mommy, or whatever.

And no one is saying anything will "completely".  That'd be yet another deflection. 


All they can do is to justify sending them back, and then doing so.  Some are surely entitled to asylum

Which is how its supposed to work.  But before the legitimate cases for asylum can be addressed, the flood of those coming here, just to come here needs to be stopped.  That was generated by Obama's executive orders, which is an ongoing rewarding of criminal behavior.  Until that is lifted, the flood will continue.  And more money, for supposed more border control agents, simply provides more officers for those crossing to find, since they're not hiding their intentions to cross illegally.  They simply cross and find the nearest Border Control Agent. 
« Last Edit: July 12, 2014, 06:32:30 PM by sirs »
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

kimba1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8031
    • View Profile
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: How to halt the flood of Children
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2014, 08:16:47 PM »
uhm actually we need those kids. The U.S. native population growth is abit stagnant . ( too many teen mom shows) we gotta get those kids on a programs to makeup for those retiring babyboomers.
we need taxpayers pronto and the current crop of kids we got are not gonna be able to keep up with the slack. also those kids are more likely to work harder than us.