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July 14, 2014

Israel as the Last Man Standing

By Thomas Lifson

The Middle East, always complex, is descending into a form of chaos that seems baffling. Bringing order to the complexity is Daniel P. Goldman, aka Spengler, writing in Tablet Magazine.  A former Wall Street numbers guy, Goldman brings together a lot of demographic data expressed in useful charts, to lay out his case that time is on Israel's side, and that the Muslims of the Middle East are engaged in a long-term battle, which he likens to the 30 Years War that devastated Europe in the 17th century:

The region has seen nothing like it since the Mongol invasion of the 13th century. Perpetual war has turned into a snowball that accumulates people and resources as it rolls downhill and strips the ground bare of sustenance. Those who are left shiver in tents in refugee camps, and their young men go off to the war. There is nothing new about this way of waging war; it was invented in the West during the Thirty Years War by the imperial general Albrecht von Wallenstein, and it caused the death of nearly half the population of Central Europe between 1618 and 1648. (snip)

The mess in the Middle East brings to mind the machinations around Swedish intervention in the Thirty Years War between 1627 and 1635, when France's Cardinal Richelieu paid Sweden's King Gustavus Adolphus to intervene on the Protestant side in order to weaken France's Catholic rival Austria. At different times, Protestant Saxony and Catholic Bavaria allied with France, Austria, and each other, respectively. France and Sweden began as allies, briefly became enemies, and then were allies again. Looming over this snake-pit of religious, dynastic, and national rivalries was the figure of Albrecht von Wallenstein, the Austrian generalissimo who twice saved the Empire from defeat at the hands of the Protestants. Wallenstein, commanding a polyglot mercenary army with no national or religious loyalty, played both sides, and Austria had him murdered in 1634.

There is more than coincidence to the parallels between the Middle East today and 17th-century Europe. Iran's intervention into Syria's civil conflict inaugurated a new kind of war in the region, the sort that Richelieu practiced in the 1620s. Iran's war objectives are not national or territorial in the usual sense; rather, the objective is the war itself, that is, the uprooting and destruction of potentially hostile populations.

As the Muslims self-destruct, Israel meanwhile prospers, and perhaps more importantly, is having babies at a rate higher than the local Arabs, whose fertility is declining.

The entire long piece deserves to be read. But here are his conclusions:

The historical homeland of the Jewish people [he means the West Bank, aka Judea and Sumaria] will pass into Israeli sovereignty not because the national-religious will it to be so, or because an Israeli government seeks territorial aggrandizement, but because Israel will be the last man standing in the region, the only state able to govern Judea and Samaria, and the only military force capable of securing its borders. It will happen without fanfare, de facto rather than de jure, at some moment in the not-too-distant future when the foreign ministries of the West are locked in crisis session over Iraq or Syria. And it will happen with the tacit support of Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia.

Israeli authority will replace the feckless regime of the Palestine Authority in order to maintain public order and ensure that the electricity works, and the roads are secure, and that bands of jihadist marauders or Shiite terrorists do not massacre entire villages; this action will elicit the reflex condemnation from bored and dispirited Western diplomats.

The realization of the Zionist dream will then be consummated not with a bang, but a whimper; the bangs will be much louder elsewhere.

http://americanthinker.com/blog/2014/07/read_of_the_day_israel_as_the_last_man_standing.html

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Re: Israel will be the last man standing as the Muslims kill each other!
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2014, 01:09:12 PM »
The Israelis are murderous assholes in Gaza again. The people of Gaza are the poorest of the poor, living in what is an open air prison sentenced to life, and Netanyahu is destroying their homes for the fourth or fifth time. Not one Israeli has been hurt by a rocket.

The increase in the Israeli birthrate is due mostly to fundamentalist ultra conservatives who basically consist of men who spend their entire lives only studying the Torah and their wives, who pop out babies at an alarming rate. They contribute nothing material, pay no taxes,and are on a lifetime dole from the government. When they reach retirement age, they get a pension. Such a deal, yes?

The productive Israelis who pay the taxes are increasingly pissed off by these pious parasites.  Of course, we Americans also pay taxes so these people who basically produce nothing, continue producing nothing. 
« Last Edit: July 14, 2014, 01:20:45 PM by Xavier_Onassis »
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Re: Israel will be the last man standing as the Muslims kill each other!
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2014, 03:47:41 PM »
The Israelis are murderous assholes in Gaza again.

No you are a lying asshole.
The Israelis are only responding to rockets being fired into Israel on a daily basis.
No country in the world should or would put up with that.
If Mexico begins firing rockets into the US on a daily basis,
I hope we become "murderous assholes" too.
Israel should take Gaza back for good.
They tried to give it back and look what the IslamoNazis did.
I would re-take Gaza and tell the terrorist F-YOU....you screwed up....this is now a closed matter.

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Re: Israel will be the last man standing as the Muslims kill each other!
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2014, 03:51:26 PM »
The people of Gaza are the poorest of the poor,
living in what is an open air prison sentenced to life,

Only by their own doing.
If the recognize Israel
If they recognize reality
If they commit to NO MORE WAR.
If they commit to REAL PEACE
Then they could live in peace and gets billions more in aid.
But they wanna play "tough guy" and thus live in squalor by their own doing.
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Re: Israel will be the last man standing as the Muslims kill each other!
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2014, 04:24:23 PM »
The Israelis took their land, then they took their dignity, then the shut them up in a prison where they are born, live and die as prisoners. Most Gazans are not sending rockets. The Israelis have murdered over a hundred men, women and children, destroyed many homes. The Palestinian rockets have hurt no one.
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Re: Israel will be the last man standing as the Muslims kill each other!
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2014, 06:34:32 PM »
The Palestinian rockets have hurt no one.


?

So far.

Are you aware that these are artillery rockets no less sophisticated than the neibelwerfer or Stalin's Organs that pounded troops in WWII? And that hundreds of them have been fired from Gaza and recently a few from Syria?

If the Israelis are not hurt is not because the Palestinians are not trying as hard as they can, if they get really accurate and powerful modern artillery, will the fight being more even make it better?

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Re: Israel will be the last man standing as the Muslims kill each other!
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2014, 07:22:25 PM »
I think those shooting the rockets are trying as hard as they can. They simply lack a way to steer them.

There will be no peace until the Israelis sit down and negotiate in serious.

This "last man standing" bit is a load of crap.
 In 100 years the the descendents of these same people will still occupy the same territory as before.
The basic problem is the idea that a country should be based on a religion. In this the Arabs are as wrong and nutty as the Jews.
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Re: Israel will be the last man standing as the Muslims kill each other!
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2014, 08:27:59 PM »
  It does not square with prophecy that Israel will find peace by any means.

  If they have victory, they might have prosperity for a time , but when a whole book of scripture is devoted to the theme of Israel being destroyed by an overwhelming enemy it seems hard to misinterpret.

   That is where Armageddon is  after all.

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Re: Israel will be the last man standing as the Muslims kill each other!
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2014, 09:29:06 PM »
Prophesies do not actually come true, except those that were written after the fact and said to have been written before.

The Romans destroyed Judea in around AD. Israel was the name given to the northern ten tribes that were taken off to Babylon. ait was not reused until 1947.

Here is the tale as given in Wikipedia:
 The Second Temple was destroyed in 70 CE, and the entire city was destroyed in the war. The contemporary Jewish historian Josephus wrote that the city "was so thoroughly razed to the ground by those that demolished it to its foundations, that nothing was left that could ever persuade visitors that it had once been a place of habitation."[99] Roman rule was again challenged during the Bar Kokhba revolt, beginning in 132 CE and suppressed by the Romans in 135 CE. Following the Bar Kokhba revolt, Emperor Hadrian combined Iudaea Province with neighboring provinces under the new name of Syria Palaestina, replacing the name of Judea.[100] The city was renamed Aelia Capitolina,[101] and rebuilt it in the style of a typical Roman town. Jews were prohibited from entering the city on pain of death, except for one day each year, during the holiday of Tisha B'Av. Taken together, these measures[102][103][104] (which also affected Jewish Christians)[105] essentially "secularized" the city.[106] The ban was maintained until the 7th century,[107] though Christians would soon be granted an exemption: during the 4th century, the Roman Emperor Constantine I ordered the construction of Christian holy sites in the city, including the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. Burial remains from the Byzantine period are exclusively Christian, suggesting that the population of Jerusalem in Byzantine times probably consisted only of Christians.[108]

There is not going to be any Armageddon, Jesus is long, long past his due date. He ain't a-comin, not next Tuesday, not ever. AsI said, I do not regard the Bible to be the Word of God. 

I suppose there is some clever method to ascertain that remains are Christian and not Jewish. I doubt that Jews were buried with rosaries and crosses.
« Last Edit: July 14, 2014, 10:10:24 PM by Xavier_Onassis »
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Re: Israel will be the last man standing as the Muslims kill each other!
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2014, 01:47:21 AM »
Does CE stand for Christian Era?

If the temple was destroyed about 70 CE then it happened about 40 years after Jesus said it would happen.

If the Prophecies of the Apocalypse were written during the time that Jews were absent from Jerusalem then the prophet John the Revelator was predicting a catastrophic war of the Jews in Israel and persecution of the Jews in Jerusalem, before he could have known by any natural means that they would ever return.

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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2014, 02:10:22 AM »
The Book of Revelation is clearly the rantings of a very disturbed mind. Loonie bins are filled with guys like this, or they were before Thorazine.
He was accurate because he "predicted" the destruction of Jerusalem AFTER it occurred. 

The world would be a far better place had the Church decided that this crap was the rantings of a delusional nutcase and NOT the word of God. Nearly all the loony Christian cults (Koresh, the Witnesses, and hundreds more) are based on this nonsense.
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Re: Israel will be the last man standing as the Muslims kill each other!
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2014, 02:34:37 AM »
The Book of Revelation is clearly the rantings of a very disturbed mind. Loonie bins are filled with guys like this, or they were before Thorazine.
He was accurate because he "predicted" the destruction of Jerusalem AFTER it occurred. 

The world would be a far better place had the Church decided that this crap was the rantings of a delusional nutcase and NOT the word of God. Nearly all the loony Christian cults (Koresh, the Witnesses, and hundreds more) are based on this nonsense.

No.

Jesus predicted the destruction of the Temple. The Romans tore it down later .

John the Revelator predicted the destruction of things that are yet to be, and a massive battle at the valley of Megiddo, that we know as Armageddon.

   I don't see how you could be this mixed up about the simple parts.

     

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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2014, 08:28:53 AM »
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