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Gates: U.S. has evidence of Iran helping insurgents
« on: February 09, 2007, 01:31:15 PM »
SEVILLE, Spain (AP) -- Serial numbers and markings on explosives used in Iraq provide "pretty good" evidence that Iran is providing either weapons or technology for militants there, Defense Secretary Robert Gates asserted Friday.

Offering some of the first public details of evidence the military has collected, Gates said, "I think there's some serial numbers, there may be some markings on some of the projectile fragments that we found," that point to Iran.

At the same time, however, he said he was somewhat surprised that recent raids by coalition and Iraqi forces in Iraq swept up some Iranians.

Just last week, Gates said that U.S. military officers in Baghdad were planning to brief reporters on what is known about Iranian involvement in Iraq but that he and other senior administration officials had intervened to delay the briefing in order to assure that the information provided was accurate.

Speaking to reporters at a defense ministers conference here, Gates said Friday, "I don't think there was surprise that the Iranians were actually involved, I think there was surprise we actually picked up some."

He and other U.S. officials have said for some time that Iranians, and possibly the government of Iran, have been providing weapons technology, and possibly some explosives to Iraqi insurgents.

The improvised explosive devices (IEDs) have been a leading killer of U.S. forces in Iraq, where more than 3,000 servicemen and women have died in the nearly four-year-old war.

Gates, who is attending his first NATO defense ministers meeting, said Iran is "very much involved in providing either the technology or the weapons themselves for these explosively formed projectiles. Now they don't represent a big percentage of the IED attacks but they're extremely lethal."

Gates said the raids combined with the movement of an additional U.S. aircraft carrier into the Persian Gulf have created a stir, but said the Bush administration has no intention of attacking Iran.

Meanwhile, the defense secretary has been getting a lukewarm response here to his plea for allies to send more troops and aid for a spring offensive in Afghanistan.

Gates said the U.S. made no additional commitments for more troops of its own. He recently extended the tour of a brigade in Afghanistan, where the U.S. has 27,000 troops -- the most since the war began in 2001.

U.S. and NATO military leaders in recent months have repeatedly called on alliance members to send reinforcements and lift restrictions on where their troops can serve. On Thursday, Gates secured smaller offers from some nations, but he met resistance from key allies.
Other countries question sending more troops

France and Germany are questioning the wisdom of sending more soldiers, while Spain, Italy and Turkey have also been wary of providing more troops.

"When the Russians were in Afghanistan, they had 100,000 soldiers there and they did not win," German Defense Minister Franz Josef Jung told reporters.

The meeting in southern Spain did produce some offers, however.

Lithuania, which already has 130 troops in Afghanistan, offered to send an unspecified number of special forces, helping to fill a key shortfall.

Germany says it will provide six Tornado reconnaissance jets but not significantly augment its 3,000 troops in the north. The Italian government said it would send a much-needed transport plane and some unmanned surveillance aircraft, but it is struggling to secure parliamentary backing for the finances needed to maintain a contingent of 1,950.

Spain also said it would send four unmanned planes and more instructors to help the Afghan army.

Gates said that after nearly five years at war with the Taliban, this spring will be critical because it could give the people of the country more hope.

"Each spring for the last several years, the Taliban have been more aggressive and there has been an increasing level of violence," he said. "There is a consensus on the part of the ministers that it is important that this year we knock the Taliban back."

The end of winter has traditionally brought an upsurge in attacks by Taliban militants in Afghanistan. U.S. commanders have already predicted that this spring will be even more violent than last year, when a record number of attacks included nearly 140 suicide bombings.

About 15,000 of the American troops are serving in the NATO-led force, which now totals about 36,000, while the other 12,000 are special operations forces or are training Afghan troops.

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Here is an artile about shaped charges like Gates was discussing.
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Re: Gates: U.S. has evidence of Iran helping insurgents
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2007, 01:42:20 PM »
According to Js, why wouldn't they?  If not Iran, someone else would be.     :-\
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Re: Gates: U.S. has evidence of Iran helping insurgents
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2007, 02:03:12 PM »
They've also gotten proof that the US is helping the "insurgents".  Is Bush going to want to invade the US?

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Re: Gates: U.S. has evidence of Iran helping insurgents
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2007, 02:53:35 PM »
<<Serial numbers and markings on explosives used in Iraq provide "pretty good" evidence that Iran is providing either weapons or technology for militants there, Defense Secretary Robert Gates asserted Friday.>>

Yeah because it's impossible for the U.S. to get its hands on Iranian explosives and detonate them pretty much anywhere they choose.  Or give them to others to detonate wherever they choose.

Question:  Gulf of Tonkin; First Gulf War; Second Gulf War; HOW MANY TIMES are the American sheeple going to allow their criminal "bi-partisan" leadership to lead them into disastrous wars on deliberately falsified evidence?

<< . . . he [Gates] said he was somewhat surprised that recent raids by coalition and Iraqi forces in Iraq swept up some Iranians.>>

Astounding development.  Let's see, neighbouring country, close ties, same religion: who would believe that Iranians would be found in Iraq?  Much more normal to see Americans there, in huge numbers, all running around with guns.

<<Just last week, Gates said that U.S. military officers in Baghdad were planning to brief reporters on what is known about Iranian involvement in Iraq but that he and other senior administration officials had intervened to delay the briefing in order to assure that the information provided was accurate.>>

Ahh, the guarantee of accuracy - - they delayed their "press conference" (bullshit-fest would probably be the more accurate description) ONE WHOLE WEEK - - who now can harbour any doubts as to its accuracy?

Sounds to me like the powers that be have decided upon an invasion of Iran, or, probably due to sheer lack of guts, a massive aerial bombardment killing hundreds of thousands of Iranians with minimal U.S. casualties.  The phony excuses are being lined up and the bullshit machine is in overdrive.  A wider Mideast war to cover the failures of the existing Mideast war.  This is gonna translate into a lot more dead rednecks, which is of little consequence to Bush and his gang of war criminals, but a minimum hundred thousand dead Iranian civilians should be a tragedy in anyone's eyes and it's really too bad nothing can stop it.  Payback's gonna be a bitch, though.


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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2007, 04:50:16 PM »
Sounds to me like the powers that be have decided upon an invasion of Iran, or, probably due to sheer lack of guts, a massive aerial bombardment killing hundreds of thousands of Iranians with minimal U.S. casualties.  The phony excuses are being lined up and the bullshit machine is in overdrive.  A wider Mideast war to cover the failures of the existing Mideast war.  This is gonna translate into a lot more dead rednecks, which is of little consequence to Bush and his gang of war criminals, but a minimum hundred thousand dead Iranian civilians should be a tragedy in anyone's eyes and it's really too bad nothing can stop it.  Payback's gonna be a bitch, though.



Payback?

It will be worse for Iran if we blast them, that it can be for us.

Have you seen a lot of Kosovo payback?

If we attack Iran w will very likely need to pound them severely , but refrain from bombing their atomic waste sites ,or their atomic plants .The fallout from a few bombs on  atomic waste or nuclear fuel would very effeciently destroy Iraqs ability to fight but would also make the area uninhabtable for many years.

Payback?  We are overdue to give some.

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Re: Gates: U.S. has evidence of Iran helping insurgents
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2007, 04:58:43 PM »
<<Serial numbers and markings on explosives used in Iraq provide "pretty good" evidence that Iran is providing either weapons or technology for militants there, Defense Secretary Robert Gates asserted Friday.>>

Yeah because it's impossible for the U.S. to get its hands on Iranian explosives and detonate them pretty much anywhere they choose.  Or give them to others to detonate wherever they choose....Let's see, neighbouring country, close ties, same religion: who would believe that Iranians would be found in Iraq?....Sounds to me like the powers that be have decided upon an invasion of Iran, or, probably due to sheer lack of guts, a massive aerial bombardment killing hundreds of thousands of Iranians with minimal U.S. casualties.  The phony excuses are being lined up and the bullshit machine is in overdrive.  A wider Mideast war to cover the failures of the existing Mideast war.

Tee leaf "logic", at some of its finest.  In 1 breath it's the nefarious work of the Americans.  In another, it's a perfectly reasonable expectation, being religious neighbors and all. 

« Last Edit: February 09, 2007, 05:40:42 PM by sirs »
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Re: Gates: U.S. has evidence of Iran helping insurgents
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2007, 05:06:38 PM »

... an invasion of Iran, or, probably due to sheer lack of guts, a massive aerial bombardment killing hundreds of thousands of Iranians with minimal U.S. casualties.  ....  This is gonna translate into a lot more dead rednecks, ....


Not if done with Air Power ,arn't we about to elect anoher Clinton?

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but a minimum hundred thousand dead Iranian civilians

Why such a very low estimate?

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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2007, 06:35:26 PM »
<<Not [a lot of dead rednecks] if [Iran is] done with Air Power ,arn't we about to elect anoher Clinton?>>

The dead rednecks I was thinking of are in Iraq and they'll be the first targets of revenge when the first bomb lands on Iran.

<<Why such a very low estimate?>>

I said it was a minimum estimate [of Iranian casualties.]  I'm a very conservative guy.

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Re: Gates: U.S. has evidence of Iran helping insurgents
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2007, 08:58:09 PM »
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I said it was a minimum estimate [of Iranian casualties.]

Yeah high estimates only come out in the last week of october during general election years.




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Re: Gates: U.S. has evidence of Iran helping insurgents
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2007, 12:05:04 AM »
<<Have you seen a lot of Kosovo payback?>>

No.  I guess payback's just wishful thinking on my part.  I'm an incurable optimist at heart.

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Re: Gates: U.S. has evidence of Iran helping insurgents
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2007, 12:14:49 AM »
<<Tee leaf "logic", at some of its finest.  In 1 breath it's the nefarious work of the Americans.  In another, it's a perfectly reasonable expectation, being religious neighbors and all. >>

sirs' stupidity at its densest: as if there were any inconsistency between (1) Iranians being in Iraq to look after legitimate interests there, given the common border, religious ties and natural interest in a neighbouring country and (2) Americans promoting internecine violence in Iraq for their own nefarious purposes.

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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2007, 10:24:03 AM »

... an invasion of Iran, or, probably due to sheer lack of guts, a massive aerial bombardment killing hundreds of thousands of Iranians with minimal U.S. casualties.  ....  This is gonna translate into a lot more dead rednecks, ....


Not if done with Air Power ,arn't we about to elect anoher Clinton?

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but a minimum hundred thousand dead Iranian civilians

Why such a very low estimate?
Welll, I sincerely HOPE we are not going to elect another Clinton. Anyone else want to relocate to Australia in that case. Anyone?

As Plane espouses, an air bombardment of Iran might produce satisfactory results, if done in sufficient numbers. Probably overdue anyway. :-)
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Re: Gates: U.S. has evidence of Iran helping insurgents
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2007, 01:51:19 PM »

... an invasion of Iran, or, probably due to sheer lack of guts, a massive aerial bombardment killing hundreds of thousands of Iranians with minimal U.S. casualties.  ....  This is gonna translate into a lot more dead rednecks, ....


Not if done with Air Power ,arn't we about to elect anoher Clinton?

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but a minimum hundred thousand dead Iranian civilians

Why such a very low estimate?
Welll, I sincerely HOPE we are not going to elect another Clinton. Anyone else want to relocate to Australia in that case. Anyone?

As Plane espouses, an air bombardment of Iran might produce satisfactory results, if done in sufficient numbers. Probably overdue anyway. :-)


I don't want to "espouse" the idea ,there are better possibilities, but I am certain it would work if it came to it , because we would never need to stop.

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Re: Gates: U.S. has evidence of Iran helping insurgents
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2007, 02:38:30 PM »
Hmmmmmm....

Didn't we have 'evidence' of WMD's? 'Evidence' of ties between Saddam and Al Qaeda?

Based on this administration's record of fixing the 'evidence', I'm gonna take a lot of convincing.
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Re: Gates: U.S. has evidence of Iran helping insurgents
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2007, 03:40:07 PM »


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