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Obama has had it with Putin!
« on: July 28, 2014, 09:05:27 PM »
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Re: Obama has had it with Putin!
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2014, 02:02:38 PM »
That's about the length of any credibility he has now, as it relates to any foreign policy
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Re: Obama has had it with Putin!
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2014, 10:57:38 AM »
There is nothing better that the US can do about the Russia/Ukraine conflict that would be any more effective than what the President has done.
Military support for Ukraine would clearly be against the interests of most Americans, and Ameroicans would almost all oppose it, and that is all that could be done.

Give it a rest, already.
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Re: Obama has had it with Putin!
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2014, 12:18:41 PM »
Here's a word of advice to folks like Xo, and the POTUS (no, I realize he doesn't read this, its rhetorical)....Credibility means something...especially to our allies & enemies.  If you say don't cross this line, and they do, you better be able to back up the "or else".  If you had no intention to back your word up, don't make the declaration to be begin with

THAT'S something he could have done better of, and why his foreign policy is nearly as bad as Obamination care
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Re: Obama has had it with Putin!
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2014, 02:58:15 PM »
I would not have said do not cross any lines, because everyone and his dog knew that the US would never intervene in any useful way.

But I really do ot think this made a bit of difference except to the Foxclown Forum.
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Re: Obama has had it with Putin!
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2014, 03:25:04 PM »
It makes a huge difference to both our allies and enemies, when they know we now have no credibility they can attach their actions onto
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Re: Obama has had it with Putin!
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2014, 01:48:08 AM »
Everyone knew that Obama was not going to do anything to prevent Putin from grabbing Crimea. No American in his right mind would risk his butt to defend Crimea. Nor=t even Crimeans seemed all that concerned.

This is a non issue of no importance. More Foxcrap
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Re: Obama has had it with Putin!
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2014, 10:34:20 AM »
No, everyone didn't know that Obama couldn't be taken at his word.  They do now
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Re: Obama has had it with Putin!
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2014, 05:53:21 PM »
Everyone and his dog knew that the US was not going to defend Ukraine from Russia.

Your poor grasp of how politics works makes you say dum crap like this and think it is important, but it isn't.
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Re: Obama has had it with Putin!
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2014, 06:46:38 PM »
No, everyone didn't know that Obama couldn't be taken at his word.  They do now.  That's called reality, which trumps how politics works
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Re: Obama has had it with Putin!
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2014, 07:14:42 PM »
Bah. There was NO ONE who thought that the US would take any measures other than personal sanctions. The American people are not willing to sacrifice anything to keep Crimea in the Ukraine? Are you?

The Ukraine has not exactly demonstrated that it is capable of any sort of adequate self-rule.
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Re: Obama has had it with Putin!
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2014, 08:17:47 PM »
Not talking specifically about sanctions...talking about credibility in saying something, but with no inention of backing it up.  In other words, Obama's word means squat as it relates to anything he claims/pledges, be it in the eyes of our allies or enemies.  Just read where the Russians are now pushing their bombers into our air space, knowing that Obama won't do a damn thing about it.....aside from unfriending Putin on Facebook
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Re: Obama has had it with Putin!
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2014, 10:02:55 PM »
What bombers?

You are making up stuff, aren't you?
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Re: Obama has had it with Putin!
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2014, 11:00:52 PM »
In the early parts of WWII the Nazi government accused the Polish of mistreating the German speaking residents of Western Poland.

Historians in Europe should be feeling DejaVu  very strongly.

WWII started with little bites of near neighbors , lots of popular support within the invading nation ,and ineffective protestations from the nations of the "free world".

If Putin is smarter than Hitler, perhaps he can grow Greater Russia a good bit and quit when he is ahead. Then he could retire and be known as "Putin the great".

I suppose that Hitler knew how to avoid the errors that Napoleon made ...Not.. too bad big guy, history does not remember Hitler as great.


   The dynamic situation is one we have seen before , but before we go to Munich, did we learn from the last time?

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Re: Obama has had it with Putin!
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2014, 03:08:17 AM »
What bombers?

You are making up stuff, aren't you?


If I demonstrate that fact, are you going to rationalize how its perfectly ok?... pull out the "nothing to see here, move along" card?
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