What Obama Said About Taking Vacations in 2008!

[sirs]

By the way at one time Saddam had the fouth place largest army in the world , stop calling his country dinky, it was not just large and well funded , he was really busy making it larger and better funded.

That's right...I meant to bring that up as well.  Good mention there, Plane

[Xavier_Onassis]

The fourth largest army in the world, blah blah blah. The First Iraq War demonstrated what a fearsome bunch of sissies they were.

Saddam's army was wrecked by the first war. It was pretty clear that all the crap we heard was just crap. And you righties swallowed it whole and the truly idiotic among you still believe it.

[sirs]

You must mean the crap that this was supposedly about the threat Iraq posed to the US.  Yea, alot of crap in those bogus claims

[Plane]

The fourth largest army in the world, blah blah blah. The First Iraq War demonstrated what a fearsome bunch of sissies they were.

Saddam's army was wrecked by the first war. It was pretty clear that all the crap we heard was just crap. And you righties swallowed it whole and the truly idiotic among you still believe it.

That is just what the facts are.

In the fighting they did with Iran , hundreds of thousands were killed and maimed over eight years of intense fighting.
That is what happens when the proportions are nearly even, the length and intensity of the war is maximised.

It is easy to propose that disproportionate warfare shortens war, was general Sherman right about that?

[Xavier_Onassis]

The Iran-Iraq War was a situation in which one side was armed, and then another, with the purpose of destroying the fighting power of both sides and seeing what sorts of nasty weapons and tactics could prove useful, like electrocution and poison gas.

All that crap about the "fourth largest army" was just that" crap. Iraq was no military threat to the US, which is defended from Iraq by geography.  That was just stupid propaganda, like "America's leading detergent" and "America's fastest=growing beer".

[sirs]

If you want to keep pushing the defunct idiocy that Iraq was no threat to the continental U.S., you do it in a blanket of ignorance, since only those blinded by Bush hatred are the ones that keep pushing an issue that never was.  Not one soul, that supported the war in Iraq, has EVER proclaimed that the reason we went into Iraq was to protect the U.S. from an Iraqi attack.  NOT ONE.  THAT is crap

[Xavier_Onassis]

Then there was no valid reason, was there?

Condi mentioned mushroom clouds. Other prominent shills mentioned anthrax, smallpox, sarin gas, atomic devices of several kinds.

The US is protected from Iraq by geography. Of course, Americans are not all that good at geography, and so the 9-11 attack was what seemed to be used to drum up support for the invasion. The Juniorbushleagers claimed that Saddam's WMD's were the main reason for the war. But there were none.

So those 4000 Americans who died in Iraq were not defending out freedoms? They were not defending our American Way of Life?
It was known that we clearly had plenty of oil. All those soldiers died for nothing. The thousands more that were wounded, did so for naught. It was all a huge fiasco and the only Americans that benefited were those who made the weapons, and a few children who will now be supported by the government because one or more parents were killed ij this stupid, senseless war, a war you still support.

As I said, it was a stupid idea that resulted in far more deaths of Iraqis than anything Saddam was likely to do. It made refugees out of Christian Iraqis, it started a civil war, and made ISIS possible. It cost a fortune in weapons. 

It should never have been done.

[sirs]

Then there was no valid reason, was there?

Yes there was, and has been repetatively explained, that you routinely ignore

But as is said, you ignore it in your own blanket of ignorance, since it was never about what Iraq could do to the U.S.  Mushroom clouds were specific to the region, especially the risk to Israel which was within scud range, and the chance that TERRORISTS could get their hands on some of the other WMD that Iraq was believed to have, and use them in the U.S......NOT the Iraqi government itself.

But by all means, continue to shine a big bright spotlight on that blinding level of ignorance

[Xavier_Onassis]

So now you say that the US invaded Iraq to prevent Israel from getting nuked? Is that what you are saying?

Or was it that we invaded Iraq to protect Saddam's alleged, yet non existent WMD's from being swiped by "terrorists"?

I suggest that in your feeble attempt to support a useless and expensive fiasco of a war you are flailing aimlessly about, grasping at straws, as you sink into the quicksand of illogic.

The war was a terrible idea, and those who died in it did not die in defense of their country, they died for nothing, they were wounded for nothing, their children were orphaned for nothing.

[sirs]

So now you say that the US invaded Iraq to prevent Israel from getting nuked?  Is that what you are saying?

No, not what I'm saying.  Boy, for a lingustics professor, you have a hard time grapsing what other's clearly say.  I demonstrated the context in which Condi was using the term Mushroom cloud. 

Or was it that we invaded Iraq to protect Saddam's alleged, yet non existent WMD's from being swiped by "terrorists"?

Yes, we went in to take out the risk that Saddam could offload some of those WMD's that WERE existant at one time, and that most everyone still believed he had. 

so, again your OPINION on the idea for going into Iraq, is duly noted

[Xavier_Onassis]

Not most everyone, just those who were afraid to be lambasted by Cheney, Bush and Rumsfeld.

Congress did not vote to invade Iraq: they voted to grant Juniorbush the power to do so. Perhaps some thought that this would serve to scare Saddam into backing down. Such people apparently did not realize what a blockhead Saddam was. Or Juniorbush, either, for that matter.

[sirs]

Not most everyone, just those who were afraid to be lambasted by Cheney, Bush and Rumsfeld.

Wow...such low disregard to folks like Clinton, Gore, and most of the Democrat party     

Congress did not vote to invade Iraq: they voted to grant Juniorbush the power to do so.

....and.....?   You seriously think they did that, with the expectation that Bush wouldn't follow thru on being provided the authorization??  Face it professor, your propaganda theory is nothing but bull crud.  Bush, of all people, given your folks continued lambasting his supposed lack of intellect, a so-called "block head", would have to have been the most incredible global master manipulator, to get all these other countries to "buy in" to what he was peddling, that even though he apparently knew Saddam had no WMD, (proof of such an accusation not required apparently either), that Saddam did still have WMD, even convincing a majority of the Democrat party, who hated his guts to begin with, to buy into it.  Good lord, one has to laugh just thinking about it   

Sorry, what you're left to deal with is reality.....the reality that the global intel community believed Saddam still had his WMD, and following 911, Congress, including a majority of the Democrats provided Bush the authority to do what he believed needed to be done, to prevent some of those WMD getting in the hands of terrorists, who had just murdered 2000 of our citizens, with mere box cutters.

end of story

[Xavier_Onassis]

Only the Brits bought into the invasion, and some puny countries that were clearly bribed. The whole WMD tale was incredibly phony, but 9-11 turned Americans into would-be Rambos and they wanted vengeance.

It was a terrible mistake, and all those killed and wounded, deranged and deformed paid a horrible price for nothing.

[sirs]

We're not talking about who bought into the invasion, Professor deflection.  We're talking into who "bought into" if Saddam had WMD or not.  THAT was the justification for any subsequent invasion

But by all means, demonstrate this proof that Bush alone knew there we no WMD, and managed to convince, not just nearly every other country's Government, including the UN that he had them, but also how this supposed blockhead managed to bamboozle all those other intelligence agencies into buying into it as well

We all wait with baited breath

[Plane]

As I said, it was a stupid idea that resulted in far more deaths of Iraqis than anything Saddam was likely to do.

   I think you underestimate the propensity of Saddam to kill his own and his neighbors pretty steadily.

    Did we really surpass the toll Saddam had already run up? Let alone surpass the mischief he was still liable to do?

      I think we didn't. I will look.