All right , call it "marrage" and be gay monogamous

[kimba1]

Thier are ways to be promiscus and not get most if not all these illness but that requires alot of structure and like wearing a condom not very fun.

[Plane]

Thier are ways to be promiscus and not get most if not all these illness but that requires alot of structure and like wearing a condom not very fun.

I know.

At some point one must say.

What is the point?

[Xavier_Onassis]

You need to take a look at all those kosher laws in the Bible. There are seven kinds of locusts, I think three are kosher, but four are not. Then there is the prohibition of wearing fabric that is made of more than one kind of fiber. Cotton, linen and wool are all okay, but if you combine them, God gets unhappy. Lobster and shrimp were banned because the priests though that they were bottom feeders. This is true of lobster, but not of shrimp.

The Bible is a lot like Mexican brujeria (witchcraft). Some things that are banned really are bad for you. Others are not. Some of the herbs actually do cure maladies. Others only seem to have a placebo effect.

Way up in the mountains around Mexico City is a small village called Chalma. Mexicans have a saying about impossible things. "Eso no lo consigues aunque vayas a bailar a Chalma." (You won't get that even if you go to Chalma to dance.) The custom goes back to Aztec times. If you wento to Chalma and danced before a certain idol, any wish you had would be fulfilled. The Church destroyed the idol and replaced him with an image of El Niño Jesús. So many Mexicans have the belief that if you walk to Chalma (it is about 50 miles, much of it uphill) and danced in the courtyard the padres de la iglesia had thoughtfully provided, your wishes would come true. If they didn't, you were not dancing sincerely enough.

If your wishes came true, you were supposed to give a gift and write a testimonial. If they didn't, tough. So over the years, there were lots of testimonials. Some pof the better ones were typewritten and pinned to a large bulletin board thing.

One Saturday, I drove up to Chalma, accompanied by a Jewish psyche major named Charlene. The road was very rocky, and I got a fractured oilpan. We told a passing truck and within an hour or so, a guy came back with a Model A Ford tow truck, which towed us to a village along the way, and we goit a guy to weld the oil pan. So we got to Chalma around 3:00 PM and there were a lot of campesinos dancing in the church patio. There was a guy with an accordion, several flautists and a couple of drummers playing off key. There were a lot of shops where you could buy candles, special candles, very special candles and all sorts of milagros (miracles) which are silver images of legs, hearts, arms, heads, which you buy and pin on a velvet cloth panel and light a candle and pray so that Jesus will fix your leg, arm, heart or head. The Church sells the milagros back to the vendors, so it seems to be a really good business.

We didn't dance or make any wishes.  Charlene was, like many psyche majors, prone to various sorts of mental disturbances. One day she curled up in a fetal position in front of the potato chips in a small grocery store,  and after several hours, she gave me the name of her psychiatrist, whom I called and she went back to Philadelphia. I never heard from her again.
 

[Christians4LessGvt]

The biggest obstacle to a permanent marriage is that people change throughout their lives,
and much oif the time each member of the couple changes in a way that makes living together
quite difficult or even impossible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fio7T6mjCbI

[Xavier_Onassis]

These are rational arguments compared to some I have had.

Women, I have found, use 90% of the toilet paper and I have never known of one to actually put it in the holder. Except for my sister, who does it to watch her cat unspool it in about a minute. She find this to be the most amusing thing ever.

[Plane]

You need to take a look at all those kosher laws in the Bible. There are seven kinds of locusts, I think three are kosher, but four are not. Then there is the prohibition of wearing fabric that is made of more than one kind of fiber. Cotton, linen and wool are all okay, but if you combine them, God gets unhappy. Lobster and shrimp were banned because the priests though that they were bottom feeders. This is true of lobster, but not of shrimp.

  There are hundreds of types of shrimp, an exhaustive list of shrimp types would be bigger than the bible and separating the bottom feeding shrimp from the shrimp that eat seaweed would be challenging, requiring close examination of each one.

    If you can't stand seven types of grasshopper , how would you feel about an hundred categories of shrimp?

   The Bible includes a lot of hard to understand stuff , but no mistakes.

     That is a miracle on its own, dancing or not.

   I know why I would not have danced , but why didn't you?

[kimba1]

but is it a sin to eat the lobster if you are on an island and the easiest food to get is lobster and other foods are just simply very dangerous to get.

[Plane]

  I should not pretend to be an expert on Kosher, I am not under that law and my study of it is casual.


    That being said , David was forgiven for eating the ShewBread.
     The sacred bread was not so forbidden that he would better starve.
      Eschewing swine , bats, lobsters and catfish might have spared the observant many worms.
        But that was never the point.
          The vision of Paul to accept Swine eaters as Christians made it a lot easier to convert .
            Germans and Filipinos and Scots
               But that was never the point either.


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Samuel%2021&version=NIV

[kimba1]

I do believe it was less of an issue then but today these dietary laws has gotten so extreme that I really think my island scenario will be a question of the strength of faith sometimes.

I think these were never meant as religious doctrine but highly practical things to do but as time go on thing got abit carried away. ex. I was super sick awhile back couldn`t eat anything but my belief on how safe kosher food is so strong I never questioned eating it. I have no rational reason for doing this. but still

I`m not even jewish. I blame those Hebrew national commercials

[Xavier_Onassis]

The statement that there are no mistakes in the Bible is simply a statement of belief that the Bible is in some way divine.
The Bible is chock full of nonsense. If you can't see that, you have not read it with the same critical eye you would read any other book. The Bible is a compendium of good advice, tribal customs, ancestor tales and advice that may have served a purpose at some time, but no longer does. Like wearing fabric made of different fibers. That is not so much a mistake as it is just silly.


Bible "study" starts with the premise that the Bible is divine and contains only truth than the word of God and seeks to prove how every element in it is true and HOW it is true. It is not different in thus than Koranic "Studies".

I think the Bible was written by men who were sincere in their beliefs, but sincerity proves nothing.

In the case of admitting the uncircumcised and the pig eaters, Paul believed that converting everyone required ignoring all the ancient laws that were obstacles to conversion. Paul was a fanatic, but a very pragmatic one. I can admire his salesmanship to the degree that salesmanship can be admired, but the guy was still a fanatic. We no longer live in Paul's time. What made since to the Old Testament prophets, who needed to separate their tribe from all the other tribes, no longer made since to Paul, who lived in a time in which contact between Jews and Gentiles was daily and inevitable, so he changed the rules. In modern times they do the same thing: the stuff formerly called "pink slime" has been changed by altering the process, but it still is marketed sold and eaten. The names used to describe it have changed.

I am reminded of the debate in which someone asks some fundie  what would change his mind about the Biblilical view of the world, and he says "Nothing!"
Bill Nye, asked the same question, responded "Evidence!".

And that is the difference between science (which is a process by which we discover the truth,. recognizing that we will never know it all), and religion, which claims to know it all because a God who knows it all told us in this book filled with ambiguous and cryptic stuff.

[Plane]

The statement that there are no mistakes in the Bible is simply a statement of belief that the Bible is in some way divine.

Yes, quite so.

The Bible is chock full of nonsense. If you can't see that, you have not read it with the same critical eye you would read any other book. The Bible is a compendium of good advice, tribal customs, ancestor tales and advice that may have served a purpose at some time, but no longer does. Like wearing fabric made of different fibers. That is not so much a mistake as it is just silly.

No.
 I can't pretend to understand the entire Bible but I have faith that I will be given the understanding I need as I need it.

A lot of what is called nonsense or mistake is really just not understanding the context.

The mixed fibers is an easy one to explain , it is a close cousin to the adjuration to use honest weights.   

   If you buy wool you pay a wool price for it , if you pay for linen you should get linen.

    During the Civil War one of the famous cheats that "profiteers" used on the government was selling "wool" blankets to the US Army that would fall apart in use due to their being made of the lowest quality cloth that could be conceivably be called "wool".

       Putting aardvark into the beef , putting grass into the salad, putting ground hair collected from barbershops into the soy sauce, putting melamine into the milk , although not specifically on the forbidden list , would seem non-kosher to me in this same theme.

      There are several places in scripture where sellers , buyers , producers and consumers are encouraged to avoid cheating each other. I consider this, the sprit of this rule. 

    Considered in context, the rule against mixing fibers is pretty easy to understand , but it can seem like nonsense by someone who is reading the scripture in a hypercritical manner , that is, with more skepticism than would be applied to any other reading .


  Have you heard of  http://www.blasphemersbible.com/  ?
 This guy went on for years parsing scripture with the theme of proving every bit of the Bible to be wrong .

   I think he has run out of motivation , but he carried on for quite a while .

    I think that there is hope for this guy , he has inadvertently perused a lot of scripture and probably remembers it . He is ripe for an epiphany


     This one is just getting started.http://tapastic.com/episode/43943
     Taking the view that the Bible is worth illustrating.

       It is going to take some imagination to make the lists of antecedents into  an amusing cartoon.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Actually, I have read that many learned rabbis have never figured out a motive for the ban on mixing fibers.  The Bible did not say "do not deceive people by mixing fibers and selling 30% linen as 100%." It says not to weave such fabric in the first place, even if the buyer knows exactly what it is.  It is not easy to buy clothes made from a single type of fiber. Fibers are routinely mixed to improve the texture, durability, appearance and utility of the fabric. It is NOT an easy one to figure out. It is more like God in the Book of Job torturing Jobs just because he feels like it. It was not a contest between God and the Devil, because God knows everything. He knows he will win.

The Bible is what it seems to be: a compendium of wisdom, folklore, history, tribal customs and nonsense. If God can do all things, then he can write a book that can be understood by all who read it. Apparently, he did not feel like doing this, just as Jesus did not feel like writing his own Gospel.

I certainly would not say that there is not some wisdom and good advice in the Bible. But it is not all wisdom and good advice.

The blasphemers bible is clever. Tapastic also seems worth the trouble.  The Bible is perhaps worth illustrating, just as Moby Dick and Tale of Two Cities are worth illustrating. Worshiping it, on the other hand, well, no. It does have the Koran beat. The Koran is boooooooring. Even more so than the Book of Mormon. I read the Book of Mormon because I had heard that there is a mention of God;s wife (aka Mrs God) somewhere in it.  The fact it that there USED to be a mention of Mrs God. One of the prophets heard that it was in error or something and they took it out. The Book of Mormon gets edited all the time, I hear, but only the editor and the prophets know about it.

[Plane]

  Well if you don't like the simple explanation, I have another.

   There were certain ceremonies in which the wear of wool was forbidden.

Ezekiel 44:17 “‘When they enter the gates of the inner court, they are to wear linen clothes; they must not wear any woolen garment while ministering at the gates of the inner court or inside the temple.

      It might have been dangerous to wear wool in this circumstance, if mixed fabric was common it might become hard to ensure that there were no wool fibers, perhaps this was a worry of the priests and forbidding this mix made it easy to avoid the wool.

     I don't know why it was necessary to  forbid priests from wearing wool in the vicinity of the Ark of the Covenant.
      But I know exactly why and could explain to you if you want, why the Air Force forbids me to wear wool when I am handling squibs.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Wool could cause more static electricity, but  gunpowder was not used in the Temples. Candles and lamp oil are unlikely to combust because of sparking.

[kimba1]

But sparking is a turn off and you would assume the person wearing it woukd have common sense  to stop it ,so likely a rule was made to stop those sparks.