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Re: There is a lot of stuff far more important than guns.
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2014, 01:41:03 PM »
Guns actually, are not very important.  Freedom and the Constitution are
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Re: There is a lot of stuff far more important than guns.
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2014, 01:44:25 PM »
Freedom to do what?
 
Constitution to do what?

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Re: There is a lot of stuff far more important than guns.
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2014, 01:54:44 PM »
Freedom to do what we want, when we want, so long as it doesn't interfere with the rights of someone else

Constitution isn't a function, its merely a blueprint (the rules to the game of living in the United States), that specifically outlines the limits to what the Government can do, reinforcing the Freedom component, as referenced above
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Re: There is a lot of stuff far more important than guns.
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2014, 09:38:06 PM »
     Dear Elizabeth Warren,  are you clear on the concept that there are cheats in the stock market , banking, pension management, brokerage, land rental and investment, but , the purpose of the investment community is not to cheat , but to facilitate progress and safety.

      Just as not all Congressmen are honest , not all businessmen are dishonest.

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Re: There is a lot of stuff far more important than guns.
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2014, 12:31:23 PM »
I did not hear Elizabeth Warren say that all businessmen were corrupt.
It is the function of good government to prevent them from corrupting the society as they have done.
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Re: There is a lot of stuff far more important than guns.
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2014, 12:50:09 PM »
And what prevents the Government from corrupting the function of Government, as they have done?
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Re: There is a lot of stuff far more important than guns.
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2014, 03:24:39 PM »
Not electing goddamn Republicans is a good start.

People who think that "government is the problem" have no business in government.
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Re: There is a lot of stuff far more important than guns.
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2014, 03:50:26 PM »
Do you really want a laundry list of all the corrupt, indicted, and imprisoned Democrats that have graced our political landscape??  So no, not electing Republicans doesn't defacto help even a little, much less a good start.

Do you seriously want to have this debate, or you just going to go off on one of your ususal hyperpartisan rants of how evil the GOP is??

Government IS the problem, WHEN it decides for itself, that it can supercede its authority & clear boundries granted to it, by the Constitution.  Party affiliation need not be the deciding issue.

But I appreciate how you helped hilight the problem.....that those who think the above, shouldn't be in Government...that way those who do see the opportunity for endless power, have no one to really stop them...cloaking their actions in a need to "fundamentally transform how they're going to do things, in Washington"
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Re: There is a lot of stuff far more important than guns.
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2014, 06:10:34 PM »
There is far more corruption in the Republican Party. Most of them are corporate whores of the worst order. They support anything that will get them campaign contributions.
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« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2014, 07:58:44 PM »
Your 99% erroneous opinion aside, Government corruption is arguably as bad, if not worse than anything in corporate America.  And Dems are just as religiously greedy to special interests, and their campaign contributions, as largely being paid mouthpieces, for folks like Unions, Enviromental lobby, and pro-illegial immigration lobby.  And currently you have the Justice Dept actively coordinating talking points with the Democrat party, that would be causing an apoplectic outrage & 24/7 reporting, if it were a Republican administration

So, Dems are just as bad, if not worse whores to special interest contributions, including corporations.  I could provide a list of all those Dems RICHLY connected to corporations, as well as the list of Dems who've been found guilty in a whole host of corruptive actions, that you would of course ignore, (Didn't Nagin just start his prison sentence?) ... But getting back to the point, that being supportive of the concept of limited government neither equates to no government nor no taxes to function as a Government.  The concept of limited government is consistent with the founding of this country, where Government is a tool, specifically to protect its citzenry, while promoting everything else.  And anything not specifically layed out in the Constitution, is then the purvue of the States.  The Bill of Rights is SPECIFIC RESTRICTIONS UPON THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, rights of its citizens that SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

That's the point of Freedom & the Constitution.  And no amount of trying to ignorantly lay claim to something that it's not, such as abolishing taxes or even Government for that matter, is going to change that reality
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Re: There is a lot of stuff far more important than guns.
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2014, 08:14:22 PM »
Not electing goddamn Republicans is a good start.

People who think that "government is the problem" have no business in government.


Oh no!

People who think government is never the problem should be in some other government , preferably an enemy's.

Anything a corporation can do wrong , a government can do just as wrong , and no less likely.

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Re: There is a lot of stuff far more important than guns.
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2014, 09:33:58 PM »
The Republicans seem to think government always the problem.

Such people should never be elected to anything.

Government can be the solution to many problems. Regulations prevented banks and S&Ls from collapsing from FDR until the American people were so stupid as to elect Reagan. Then regulations were removed and the S&Ls collapsed. Now banks dp not hold your mortgage, they peddle it off in pieces to God knows where.
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Re: There is a lot of stuff far more important than guns.
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2014, 09:52:47 PM »
  They peddle it to the government , who ever bought more weak mortgages than Fannie May?

    I do wish that the small government Republicans were more genuinely small government, the government seems to grow larger and more important to our lives no matter who is in power.

    Using government to solve some problems is appropriate , there are some things that require the governments size and power .

      Using the government for things that could be done by private organizations or persons is objectionable,

       Using government for absolutely everything is nuts.

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Re: There is a lot of stuff far more important than guns.
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2014, 10:01:31 PM »
If there had been no Fannie Mae, many people would never have owned a home. Fannie Mae was not a bad idea, it was run by incompetent people for a spell. The solution is not to abolish it (as "small government hacks would do), it is to make sure that there are proper regulations and that it is run by competent people, as it was for many, many years.

There are many countries with fewer resources than this one that have almost abolished poverty. They have done it through good government. None is run by a goddamned asshole Republican.
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