How to solve the Palisrael problem

[Xavier_Onassis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jKVQyPgJCw

[Plane]

 Started out pretty good , but by the end it seemed to be saying that pressure on Israel was enough to solve the problem.

That is  not even handed enough to succeed.

No amount of pressure converts a sane person to voluntary suicide.

What is suggested for the other side of the problem?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Suicide?  What a load of crap! How do you figure that?

The Palestinians are being robbed, and you want to support the thief that is robbing them.

What has actually been happening is that Israel has been grabbing more and more of the West Bank in an effoirt to colonize the whole damned thing.

[Plane]

  So to you it actually is entirely one sided?

[Xavier_Onassis]

To me is is obvious that the Palestinians are being robbed, and the Israelis are in no danger of losing their country, and I an sick and tired of supporting beggers likie Netanyahu.

US policy is entirely one sided. Time to SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE the Israelis until they understand that we are not going to pay the damn beggars forever while they steal and colonize.

[Plane]

  No, all of the one sided plans look like death to the other side , no where for that to go.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The US needs to squeeze Israel and threaten to cut off their free lunch. There will never be a solution until they do.
It is disgusting the way that Congresscritters prostrate themselves before Netanyahu.

The US needs to treat both sides equally, which it has never done. Israel has cause this country far more problems than any benefits we have received from it.

[sirs]

The US needs to squeeze Israel and threaten to cut off their free lunch. There will never be a solution until they do.

That would be incorrect.......until 1 side decides that the other can exist, there will never be a solution.  No amount of squeezing Israel addresses that fundamental component.  This point has been demonstrated over and over and over again. 

If the Palestinians were to lay down their arms, there'd be peace.  If Israel were to lay down their arms, they'd be slaughtered.  Until that fundamental mindset is addressed, there will never be peace, no matter any amount of squeezing anyone feels compelled to apply to the so-called bully, Israel

[Xavier_Onassis]

The Israelis have taken the position that they want a two state solution, but every time they start to sit down to talk, they do something that they know will piss off the Palestinians. There are murderous individuals on both sides that are likely to kill anyone singing a deal, and leaders on both sides have in fact been killed.

The recognition of existence is the major bargaining chip that the Palestinians have: asking them to give it up before they even start is absurd. Sitting down to negotiate is the same thing as de facto recognition. No one can negotiate with a party that does not exist.

I am sick and tired of paying to subsidize Israel. Israel takes our tax money and pays it to "Torah scholars" who have no real jobs and who have huge families, all of them on the dole. That should really annoy you, since you do not want the government to subsidize Americans who do not produce what they are worth.

[sirs]

The Israelis have taken the position that .....

Doesn't matter what their position is.  The Palestinians have taken the position, that Israel can NOT exist...not in its present form or location.  Until that changes, no amount of browbeating, shaming, or squeezing the supposed bullies, Israel, is going to solve any Palisrael problem.  And no, sitting down with them isn't any defacto anything.

[Xavier_Onassis]

So you are all for your taxes paying for "rabbinical scholars" that produce nothing who are eligible for retiring at 65 after a life of doing nothing useful to doing nothing at all?

Israel has been bilking this country ever since its creation. Many of the problems with the Arab world are about their stealing Arab lands and treating even their Arab citizens as second class. No one deserved being squeezed more than these beggars.

[sirs]

That's a different issue.  I'm talking about the issue of solving the Palisrael problem....you know, the title of the thread?  Doesn't matter what we send or don't send.  That won't solve anything, as it relates to the Palisrael Problem.  Israel didn't steal anything following WWII, and had nothing to do with the UN's returning Jews to their traditional homeland.  The nearly immediate response to the UN's actions however, by the surrounding Arab nations, was to declare war on Israel.  Israel only took lands AFTER the war, to better defend themselves.  They stole no more than we stole from Mexico

[sirs]

Many of the problems with the Arab world are about their stealing Arab lands and treating even their Arab citizens as second class. No one deserved being squeezed more than these beggars.

You know....I can imagine many a German, back in the late 1930's, opining the same mindset, just subtract the word Arab     

[Xavier_Onassis]

Give me a break!  The West Bank is part of Palestine. Israeli settlements there are illegal. Annexing land against the will of the inhabitants is what the Nazis did, and it is also what the Israelis have done and continue to do.

Americans were not taxed to finance Hitler's land grabs, nor did Congress suck up to Der Fuhrer.

Americans ARE taxed to finance Netanyahu's land grands, and he is sucked up to by the Congress.

That would be the difference.

[sirs]

You've been given a copius amount of breaks.  California is part of Mexico.  When you start openly pleading that it be returned, then you'll have a leg to stand on. 

Here's another news flash, there was no country called Palestine that either the UN or Israel suddenly dsimantled, following WWII.  Jews relocated to their homeland, and were almost immediately attacked....on all sides.  Any subsequent "stealing" occurred by way of the winning faction taking more land to better defend themselves from any subsequent attacks

So, again it matters not what Israel gets or doesn't get from the U.S.  That's merely you wanting to "stick it to Israel", for your perceived conclusion of how evil they apparently are.  But to actually "solve the Palisrael problem" is going to require 1 side of the coin to actually, and openly, support the existance of the other side.  Anything else is a nonstarter, to actually solving the problem you've made as the crux of this thread