Being truthful does not make you racist!

[Xavier_Onassis]

LBJ knew that the "Solid South" would be a thing of the past after Blacks actually got the right to vote and started voting.
And that is what happened.

The Republicans who voted for this bill had relatively few Blacks in their districts and did not have any reason to believe that they would lose voters as a result of voting for the bill.

[Plane]

LBJ knew that the "Solid South" would be a thing of the past after Blacks actually got the right to vote and started voting.
And that is what happened.

This explains Louisiana having a lot of Democratic governors since then but only one slightly brown governor.

So what he predicted is not what happened at all , LBJ was simply wrong about that.

What , did he expect the racists to start supporting their enemy of a century?

[Xavier_Onassis]

You make no sense. You seem to be devoid of all knowledge of the political history of this country.

[sirs]

LBJ knew that the "Solid South" would be a thing of the past after Blacks actually got the right to vote and started voting.
And that is what happened.

This explains Louisiana having a lot of Democratic governors since then but only one slightly brown governor.

So what he predicted is not what happened at all , LBJ was simply wrong about that.

What , did he expect the racists to start supporting their enemy of a century?

Exactly.......this is the point where the wheels keep coming off the wagon.  Republicans supported civil rights in greater numbers, especially in the south, which is where Democrats became known as Dixiecrats.  That's an irrefutable fact.  In fact, Lincoln largely started the Republican party's goal of abolishing slavery.  So, here comes the '64 Civil rights act, and true to form the South, primarily made up of Democrat/Dixiecrat politicians strongly opposed it, led by folks like Al Gore's father, pushed perhaps the longest filibuster in history to thwart the pending legislation.  But with 80+% support of the minority Republican party, the filibuster is defeated, and the bill becomes the law of the land

But then we're to believe that the Dixiecrats jumped the Democrat ship and not just joined, but was supposedly embraced by....the party that just helped pass it, by an over 80% margin of support??  Anyone else seeing the fatal flaw in this attempted dot connection?

[kimba1]

Well actually using historical data to back republican support of civil rights would be invalid. Since i forgot what year the party actually stopped being supportive to minority causes about thirty ,forty years ago. Thats what started the gop racist reputation.

People forget both political parties switched ideologies awhile back. Ex. Conservative democrat was the normal at the beginning. Republicans today cant take credit for lincoln freeing slaves.

[sirs]

You'll have to provide some specifics Kimba.  Outside of David Duke, who was largely a GOP outcast, who specifically was running around racist circles, while being embraced by the GOP.  The GOP of today can absolutely be taking credit for the GOP of yesteryear, with 1 big difference.....many of the established Republicans have embraced a Government to the rescue mentality, where more Government isnt's necessarily a bad thing

But as it relates to some supposed swapping of teams, you'll have to provide some specifics of who and how.  Just because conservative Republicans aren't supportive of a larger welfare state or more Federal Government assistance, isn't defacto racist.....its defacto small government as designed by the founders of this country.  Do you have some specific examples to share?

[Plane]

.... Since i forgot what year the party actually stopped being supportive to minority causes ....

   There is a definite reason for this.

[kimba1]

The specifics is barry goldwater. Around the 1960's is when the shift happened he stated something which changes a largely republican black population to a largely democratic group. If you think about it most minority group if not all by nature are consevative. But if thier is a checklist of what it is to be conservative. All those groups will only be off by a few  items and it's because those items that prevents them from joining the gop.

[sirs]

I do thing about it, and I disagree, in that most minority group is conservative by nature, especially on social issues.  Goldwater isn't enough I'm afraid.  We're talking about racism.  At least that's what I thought.  What exactly did Goldwater do or hang around with that was racist in nature, that was acceptable to the GOP, and conservatives in particular?

[kimba1]

those social issue is likely the very few boxes not checked on the list I mentioned. we have many example how most people in general are conservative. gays are conservative and has a group called the log cabin party but the GOP is soo unwelcoming they eventually had to shift. prop. 8 was supported by a lot of minority voters. people totally miscalculated how conservative these groups are and simply thought they vote against by default. the only reason these group are not republicans is the GOP will not support those issues that is helpful to those groups.

whether you agree or not goldwater is the turning point

 http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2014/07/14/331298996/why-did-black-voters-flee-the-republican-party-in-the-1960s

[sirs]

They "fled" because Government was setting themself up as the "go-to" organization for any and all assistance.  It had trace to do with race.  Conservatives support self sufficiency and limited Government, while embracing charity and personal assistance.  Government, led by Democrats and liberal Republicans put the gas peddle to the floor in trying to "help" anyone it could, regardless the circumstances that led to how/why any help is needed in the 1st place.  Programs for unwed mothers facilitated more out of wedlock births, just to name one example.  Increasing unemployment benefits, yet another

Blacks left the GOP not because of any racial twist, but because the left began championing the need for more Government services, which in turn made it ok for worse and worse decision making and judgements by individuals.  As The GOP kept trying to rain in the poor decision making, the left found a gold mine of PR, to lay the claim of how the Republicans don't care about the poor, and in particular poor blacks.  Goldwater, had very little to do with it, IMHO

In other words, the GOP allowed Democrats to with the PR battle, despite the fact that there are far more racists in the Democrat ranks.  One need only look to the NAACP and folks like LaRaza for a pelethora of examples to that fact.

[kimba1]

yes. but not exactly counter what I said. the samples you stated are also examples of non-support of these groups which cannot not be ignore to these parties. you did say the GOP allowed it so now they see the rewards of their non-actions

[sirs]

Non support of a policy is not defacto non support of a group.  That's how the left has been able to shape that debate however, and why they won the PR battle, despite far more overt racist rhetoric found in their ranks, while routinely condemned when coming from a Republican

[Xavier_Onassis]

Continue to enjoy your almost total ignorance, sirs.

[sirs]

Brilliant rebuttal