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sirs

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The Cowardice of "Comprehensive Immigration Reform"
« on: October 04, 2014, 05:51:59 PM »
IIRC, it was approx 1 year ago, where in a large group of people, our President made it clear, and correctly so, the limits of his Presidential authority, when it comes to laws.  Hasn't stopped him of course, but rhetorically he was correct....Congress makes the laws, Congress changes existing laws.  He has no authority to supercede laws currently on the books, and he rightly said he can't do anything about current immigration laws.....to call your representatives, and get them to do it. 

We all know why of course....the more poor people let into the country, by whatever means, means greater need for Government intervention (read control).  Subsequent greater support for Democrat proposals/agenda, that requires bigger and bigger and government footprint, with a built in voting block.

Fast forward a bit, and Congress, is doing nothing, as its suposedly those dastardly Republicans preventing anything from happening.....so our Community Organizer and Chief decides to ignore his Constitutional parameters yet again, and pledges to unilaterally change existing law, by simply writing an executive order, that will simply give millions of those who came here illegally, the privilege of being here legally.  Poof.... problem solved, right?

Fast forward a bit more, and Congress has done nothing, not so much because of dastardly Republicans, but more so Democrats up for relection, realizing that their consituents not only don't have immigration as a high priority, but have actively lobbyied their representatives of their intention to support their opponent, if said respresentative is so fixated on giving amnesty to those that came into this country illegally.  Oh my, what to do? 

Ahhh, you got it.....the coward's way out.....we don't do anything until AFTER the election, thereby shelting Democrats from having to defend the indefensible, as it relates to supporting said amnesty, while the Dems still get to rake in the huge influx of new poverty level immigrants, ripe for the need of additional Governmental services, healthcare, job training, etc.......all via executive order fiat, that our President clearly indicated he wasn't legally/constitutionall allowed to do in the 1st place

Viva la Imperialist Community Organizer & Chief
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Re: The Cowardice of "Comprehensive Immigration Reform"
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2014, 07:29:14 PM »
Every political leader will do things at the most opportune time. It is stupid to say that President Obama is the exception.

Being as no one will ever expel all the illegals, or even attempt to do so, and the Republican Party is still hollering about "no amnesty for anyone", I see what he has done makes sense and is a wise decision.

It's not like you would ever vote for any Democrat that agreed with Obama about anything, sirs.
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Re: The Cowardice of "Comprehensive Immigration Reform"
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2014, 07:46:54 PM »
Love the rationalization efforts, while completely ignoring the point about rule of law, Constitutional limits, and Obama's own words
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Re: The Cowardice of "Comprehensive Immigration Reform"
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2014, 07:51:43 PM »
What the crap are you bitching about now?

You make no sense.

You should go to DC and make a citizen's arrest of Obama.
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Re: The Cowardice of "Comprehensive Immigration Reform"
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2014, 08:00:08 PM »
"Bitching" about the cowardice of Obama, and democrats in general.  Demonstrated very clearly how.  If its such a HUGE issue, and SO important that requires the President to actually supercede his Constitutional authority, that he HIMSELF, said he couldn't do, then why put it off until after the election.  He "promised action",  sent all forms of references that it would be happening in late August, perhaps Sept.

Then all of a sudden, its not so important.....until AFTER the elections?   Cowardice on grand display
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Re: The Cowardice of "Comprehensive Immigration Reform"
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2014, 09:52:20 PM »
  Putting it off till after the elections is a shrewd political move based on two reasonable assumptions.

   1) That the electorate will not like the action.
   2) That the electorate is deaf right now.

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Re: The Cowardice of "Comprehensive Immigration Reform"
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2014, 10:02:51 PM »
It is a topic that is very prone to stupid attacks.
Politicians saying dumb crap like the border with Mexico should be sealed.
Imbecilities blaming President Obama for children riding the rails from Central America to the border.
Small children pose no threat to this country, the alternative is to refuse to take them in and and force them to hike across the deserts of Arizona, or to tell them to hike back to Central America. Utterly heartless and disgusting treatment of children, largely from the same fools who defend fetuses.

Morons blathering about how they want ALL the illegals sent back.

It is not cowardice, it is wisdom.
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Re: The Cowardice of "Comprehensive Immigration Reform"
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2014, 10:45:14 PM »
  The present situation is killing a fair number of hopeful immigrants.

   Is it really unfair to accuse the President and his party of callous cruelty for setting it up to be what it is now?

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Re: The Cowardice of "Comprehensive Immigration Reform"
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2014, 09:32:26 AM »
Yes, it is entirely unfair.

The President did not plan for the results that have resulted from the idiocy of Congress.
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Re: The Cowardice of "Comprehensive Immigration Reform"
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2014, 01:35:30 PM »
Despite how "unfair" things are for this President, that every President has to deal with, in one form or another, are you now on record on indicating how dumb/idiotic Obama was for declaring how he, as President, is not allowed by the Constitution, to do exactly now what he says he's going to do.....while cowardly waiting until after the election to do it??
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Re: The Cowardice of "Comprehensive Immigration Reform"
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2014, 05:36:10 PM »
  I think that the president could do a better job of enforcing the law as it is,

If he did , his credibility in demanding change would be improved.

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Re: The Cowardice of "Comprehensive Immigration Reform"
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2014, 06:14:18 PM »
Not his M.O. however
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Re: The Cowardice of "Comprehensive Immigration Reform"
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2014, 06:36:01 PM »
How would he go about doing a better job? Congress has only allotted a limited budget for dealing with immigrant affairs, and I believe that he has done all he can with the funds allotted.

The Republicans say that they will do nothing until the border is "secure"whatever that means. Unless you are willing to kill people and put their heads on stakes
there will always be some who make it across. The greater problem is created by those who come with tourist visas and then refuse to leave.


















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Re: The Cowardice of "Comprehensive Immigration Reform"
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2014, 11:10:18 PM »
How would he go about doing a better job?

It's outlined in the Constitution.  Supposedly he's a constitutional authority, and yet he's pledging  to do precisely what he claimed he could not constitutionally do (already has on countless occasions, so that shouldn't come as a surprise)


Congress has only allotted a limited budget for dealing with immigrant affairs, and I believe that he has done all he can with the funds allotted.

He's not responsible for congress & the Legislative branch.  He's responsible for the Executive Branch, specifically executing the the enforcement of current laws, including immigration laws.  Not ignore the one's he doesn't like


The Republicans say that they will do nothing until the border is "secure"whatever that means.

It means exactly what it means.....ENFORCE BORDER SECURITY AND CURRENT IMMIGRATION LAWS.  AND NO MORE PLEDGING TO ALLOW FOLKS TO COME HERE ILLEGALLY.  There's no nuance here.  Start doing that, and the GOP might start taking the President's and the Dems' word that they'll get around to border security.  It's kind of like recognizing that Israel has a right to exist.  In this case, America has a right to exist and have its laws honored/respected.  It's a non-starter in either case if the opposition isn't going to

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Re: The Cowardice of "Comprehensive Immigration Reform"
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2014, 11:27:37 PM »
You make no sense./
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