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sirs

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Re: question about government involvements in our lives
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2014, 01:26:20 PM »
It can't be both big/powerful AND efficient.   That's the contradiction.  In fact the bigger and more bureaucratic,  the easier to hide malicious intent in crony capitalism
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Re: question about government involvements in our lives
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2014, 02:56:11 PM »
Oh, that is bullshit.
You have no clue about how to run a country.

You can barely run your mouth worth a damn.
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Re: question about government involvements in our lives
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2014, 03:36:23 PM »
Obviously my point hit.....thus the kneejerk insult and deflection.  Thanks for the validation
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Re: question about government involvements in our lives
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2014, 06:50:16 PM »
Go deflect yourself, Krusty
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Re: question about government involvements in our lives
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2014, 07:07:04 PM »
...and don't forget that the Koch brothers are hiding under your bed, just waiting to pick pocket your PJ's as soon as you turn down your night light     ;)
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Re: question about government involvements in our lives
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2014, 09:02:21 PM »
my PJs have no pockets
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Re: question about government involvements in our lives
« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2014, 09:18:25 PM »
That'll make it more challenging
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Re: question about government involvements in our lives
« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2014, 10:17:43 PM »
The Kochs are not pickpockets. You are diverting the subject here.

I have never alleged that the Koch Brothers are pickpockets or cat burglars.
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Re: question about government involvements in our lives
« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2014, 10:43:20 PM »
Mr Literal strikes again .  Didn't seem to stop you making ridiculous claims about what Soros would personally do to me, when I happened to throw his name out.  You project perhaps more than anyone I know.  Seriously
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Re: question about government involvements in our lives
« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2014, 10:55:57 PM »
The key is to have a government that is efficient and trusted. Size is not so important as efficiency.  Reagan slashed the number of IRS employees,and auditingdeclined, along with tax collections. It took very little time to figure out how to successfully lie yourself into a lower tax bracket and not get caught at it. If you were paid a salary and deductions were made from your check, you were largely sh*t out of luck. If you had your own business and got paid in cash, you were in the clover.

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Re: question about government involvements in our lives
« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2014, 11:21:55 PM »
The key is to have a government that is efficient and trusted. Size is not so important as efficiency.  Reagan slashed the number of IRS employees,and auditing declined, along with tax collections. It took very little time to figure out how to successfully lie yourself into a lower tax bracket and not get caught at it. If you were paid a salary and deductions were made from your check, you were largely sh*t out of luck. If you had your own business and got paid in cash, you were in the clover.

  The absolute size is important , it is a matter of inertia.

   The Titanic had lookouts who saw the ice before they hit it , but the Titanic was not only the largest and fastest ship that had ever been constructed , it was also the least nimble ship that had ever been constructed.

   The absolute number of rules , laws and regulations is another important point , there are already enough that even specialists cannot know the entire rulebook of their specialty, sub specialties require  sub specialist ,experts and coordination between them.

     I cannot memorize the rules that apply directly to me , I rely on help to remain in compliance . My supervisor , my union steward , our quality and safety inspectors work to keep me in the right PPE that OSHA requires , using the chemicals as the EPA requires , using procedures as the FAA requires , etc etc...

    A lot of this is needed , but there is no measurement of how much more than we need that we get.

      Aircraft flew just fine twenty years ago with half as many rules , in twenty more years ,when the rules have doubled again, perhaps they won't fly.

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Re: question about government involvements in our lives
« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2014, 05:06:51 AM »
 No one is a better steward of one's money than themselves.

I kinda disagree with this. ex.subprime loans, student loans. also note these examples has some effect to our economy. yes it`s insulting to think legal adults in American cannot handle certain things in life. but to a degree I blame our notion anybody tricked should be looked at with ridicule instead of sympathy to the point of preventing others from making the same mistake. It almost looks like were encouraging scammers. this notion by only saying "they should know better "doesn`t seem to be working .


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Re: question about government involvements in our lives
« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2014, 12:05:46 PM »
When I referred to better stewards of one's money, I was speaking in general.  A person has a distinct & intimate incentive to carefully watch over their finances, what comes in, what goes out, what one can purchase, vs needs to budget for, since the repercussions of not doing are serious, if not criminal.  Government has no such incentive
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Re: question about government involvements in our lives
« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2014, 01:19:29 PM »
if thiers a incentive to lookover ones own finances they`re not very good at it. government do have incentive but by it`s nature it`s very slow responding and normally after a lot of damage has occur and takes years to resolve parts of it

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Re: question about government involvements in our lives
« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2014, 01:41:33 PM »
if thiers a incentive to lookover ones own finances they`re not very good at it.

That's a different story....if someone isn't careful enough to manage their own finances, tax payers shouldn't be on the hook to bail them out.  But in general, people are far more likely to supervise and manage their own money far better than a 3rd party, because of the vested interest they have in it

And I strongly disagree, in that Government has little incentive to do better at watching OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY'.  Yea, they're slow, but they also have no reason or incentive to not only do faster, but to do better.  There's no direct repercussions for their screwing up, unlike the individual person above.

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